Anyone try to use vegan mediums? I have found by and large the only reliable vegan nutrients are hydroponic liquid chemicals.
However, there are some really cool compost and no-till pages I’ve come across.
Share your two cents if you got them!
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What’s the point? You can get balanced inputs from clean reliable sources these days without worrying about trying to conform to a human nutritional practice that’s based on bad science.
Moral compass. Same reason I’m vegan.
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I see, and this applies to plants that evolved living in organic soil filled with decomposing life? If the way you follow your moral compass is by using chemical fertilizer instead of organic compost, it sounds to me like you might benefit from some “degaussing.”
I see your point. More often than not I defer to liquid chemicals. Which has been just fine provided I flush the roots.
LMAO, the plants people got nowadays are nowhere close to the original ones, that fed on decomposing life that died naturally, not billions of animals that get killed to satisfy humans, then turned into products to make money. They are a result of genetic selection and controlled environment. This is literally the same shit as when people talk about “pyramid of life” or “food chain” and buy meat from the supermarket. Why do people like you get so mad when vegans just decide they don’t want to profit over animals death and suffering? Every time I see this kind of speech I just hear brainwashing shit.
We have to go mostly mineral. It’s not the most beautiful, but it’s the solution we’ve got. I’ve been recently using salts to feed my plant and it’s going quite well. Most mediums will be vegan, we just have to build one and not use blood and bone meals for example. I’ve used worm casting, bokashi and shit like that in the past, the results were good, but I don’t think they made such a big difference for me to miss them.
I believe it’s valid to make a compost bin or sth like that without worms, it would take a longer time, but it works, plus, it makes some nice liquid fertilizer for you to use.
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I’ve been hearing some good things about kelp as well!
Yeah, it must definitely work! I’ve seen people talking about them to promote better rooting and recovery from transplants, overfeeding and other traumas. So probably a great side dish for them, riches from the ocean.
I mean for vegans the point is obvious. By using fertilizer that are made from animals they are perpetuating the same death and mistreatment that they object to. Makes complete sense to me.
Quick question for the vegan gardeners, what do you do if you get a pest like thrips, mites, fungus gnats, white flies etc? Do you allow them to thrive in your garden? Do you eradicate them with other types of insects that do the killing for you? Do you kill the pests yourselves with sprays etc.Or are pests even allowed to be killed in a vegan garden. I ask because I had a friend that was vegan that lived with cockroaches and wouldn’t do anything to get rid of them because of him not wanting to harm a living thing. That would be my only issue with trying to go veganic style with an indoor grow. Are sticky traps that collect dead flies and bugs vegan?
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I think you would get more bang for your Buck with Alfalfa its a touch hotter but you would have to use less product and i think it would be more available to the general consumer most animal feed stores sell it by the 50lb bag in the form of Horse Nuggets.I would imagine it would also have less of a heavy metal content that Kelp has and has nothing to do with animal products other than being associated as a food source maybe??Malted two Row barley and some Basalt would also be some good clean inputs with some Neem meal and Karanja for Insect ipm Coots special right there.Only thing missing is EWC but they come from worm poop so cant do that to be Vegan i would Think
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Prevention’s definitely the best cure, Even when we would run Guerrilla a lot of my buddies buried half a beer can to catch the slugs, I never did that LOL.
What I will do, is if I find a spider inside, it goes right into the garden. Natural predator. Also ladybugs, if I find one. If it lands on me I relocate it to the garden. This is outdoor.
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I believe both the cockroach stuff and pests have the same solution: Taking good care of the environment, so they do not happen there.
Veganism opposes to the use of animals where it’s possible to, so a vegan would get a covid 19 shot for the matter of his health and others’, for example, because there was just no other option. Or maybe scorpions or aedes mosquitos, because they are really harmful.
I have, in the past, used soap/flour mix to kill of pests on a plant of mine, I do believe it wasn’t a nice thing to do, but it has become so much easy for us humans to kill flies, and we just think they have nothing to contribute to the world, but I guess neither do we so much, we do our stuff like they do theirs, we’re not like ants or bees, for example.
But yeah, it’s something I can avoid happening, so I do my best, and I would buy something more expensive to just push them away than something that just kill everything.
About the “aloud” stuff: it’s not about rules or laws, but how you feel about it. There are just principles that people try to live by.
Talking about living with. I do not live with cockroaches, but I try to put them out of my house, as they’re not gonna kill people, because it’s just sometimes that one or another shows up. I do live with spiders, though, I trim their nets sometimes. I do think it doesn’t look good but they don’t walk over my food with crap on their feet.
I’m not a spokesman for veganism, but I would say that anything that helps you get rid of them wouldn’t be vegan, but if you did your job of taking care of the plants health and environment it would be little, and much smaller than using blood or bones meal and shit like that on every plant, so it’s not really something bad.
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Nice, for my outdoor it could be considered a vegan grow but I’m just not sure about how to pull it off inside as bugs pop up every now and then, I do get some Asian lady beetles that invade my indoor grow space and help but the damn thrips are a problem every year as soon as my windows get opened, I hate spraying pesticides etc and would actually love to bring my outdoor routine inside but I’m scared of the bugs. I eat a mostly vegetarian diet, I eat a lot of vegan food and very little meat, usually fish once or twice a month, I’m a chef and ate enough meat for a lifetime so always trying to eat less and less of it the older I get the less I have wanted it but I just can’t wrap my head around how I can grow inside with the same thought process . I don’t think I will ever consider myself vegan but I’m would like to live as close to it as I can.I guess it just goes back to the “do as little harm as possible MO?”
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I don’t kill spiders or any insect other than mosquitoes or insects that are biting me or my plants.Then it’s war.
Thanks for the insights
Time to make some fems and eat some meats.
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I’ll eat a whole block of tofu! 
What about if you raise animals yourself, like chickens, and they are basically family…would you still object to those inputs(eggs, poop)
Or worm inputs, like mentioned earlier?
Do you only eat hydroponically grown food?
Seriously curious, no shade
Good questions: as far as local chicken coops and things like locally raised cows that had room to roam- those are much more ethical than eggs or beef you’d get at Costco.
The biggest problem vegans have, myself included, is animal agriculture. What it has become in America, Canada and most of the world are massive encampments where animals don’t even have enough room to turn around in their cages up until the point they are slaughtered.
And with big businesses come lobbying; They make it so it is illegal to even photograph their ‘farms’. They slap labels on products like ‘grass-fed’ when in reality the grass that is given to them is poured into their cages, or ‘cage free’ but they’re stuffed shoulder to shoulder literally stepping on each other in massive barns. The dairy lobby, that is a trip in and of itself: they are the reason why you will find milk products in almost everything. Potato chips included.
I have the choice and financial luxury to have plant-based alternatives (I don’t have to work the farm like my ancestors did), so I pick the plant-based alternatives. I take multivitamins just like I did when I ate meat. I don’t sweat too much about hydroponic versus soil: as long as it didn’t have eyeballs and a mother it’s fair game.
Don’t buy the BS you’ll hear about us being emaciated 
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Thats really good insight.
I am dairy-free(not by choice) and i hate how dairy is in things that dont even need dairy…Im not vegan, i like meat too much…but i do hunt/fish, i raise my own chickens(they eat better than some humans), and i buy shares of meat from local farmers where i can go see the animals if i was so inclined.
Let us know how your search goes…something like “Coots Mix” is pescatarian, i think? Idk but it doesnt use mammal products as far as i know
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