I know criminals can get grenades aks and fully auto weaponsā¦ what u got?? A rifle or something?? You should capitalize more wordsā¦ i like thatā¦ really gets the point across lol
Can u buy armor piercing rounds? Criminals have em
Dont get me wrongā¦ just sayingā¦ it would be safer if they didnt existā¦ not among reg populationā¦ it would be impossible to remove themā¦ i dont disagreeā¦
Id like to see stricter gun law so kids quit shooting up schools at leastā¦ just sad ā¦
Not saying your rights should be takenā¦ i am saying as ready as all gun owners think they areā¦ in the scope of thingsā¦ are a joke compared to a group of solid methodical criminalsā¦ or better armed criminalsā¦ and they typically are better armed etcā¦ dont want this to get into a dick measuring contestā¦ soā¦
Again if you arent sleeping w that armor onā¦ then id think it would be hanging wherever it was in the end as wellā¦ unused .
Just to be clearā¦ i am not implying any of you are not responsibleā¦ because this is OGā¦ i assume most of you are very careful and very intelligent with what u haveā¦ so understandā¦ im not talking about you all personally in any wayā¦ this is out my own experienceā¦ ive seen a lot of stupid shit concerning gunsā¦ from suicides that 10 year olds findā¦ to needless wasting of life when there was clearly a better resolveā¦ to accidental death completelyā¦ the list goes on and onā¦ i wont list it all ā¦ the list should be obviousā¦
Just giving reasons Iā¦ meā¦ terpsnpurpsā¦ hates gunsā¦ i dont fault you guys for liking them
I mean I could make a list a mile long of things that cause gun violence, none of which are ābsā. Iāll just list one more since you brought it up. Poor access/ineffective mental health help. Do you really think that wack job wouldnāt have found another way to carry out his evil if there wasnāt a firearm in his home? Limiting peoples right to own effective protection doesnāt prevent suicide, make evil people disappear or stop them from doing bad things, it only limits law abiding citizens ability to protect themselves from evil people. We need to deal with the real root of these problems instead of pretending like taking away or limiting firearms will somehow solve these kinds of issues.
Also, bringing up āif that were any of your toddlers at that schoolā in an effort to manipulate my emotions is a cheap trick. This is called a logical fallacy āargumentum ad passionesā. It doesnāt prove your argument or disprove mine in anyway. We can all agree that anytime something like this happens itās terrible and evil, but we should stick to facts and data when it comes to important issues like this instead of letting our emotions drive our decision making. Iām not trying to convert you into a gun guy or insult your intelligence, Iām just trying to present a rational argument to your stance. No need to get so personal.
Lastly, I have never and will never laughing emoji your responses in this convo, this is a super serious topic and I treat it as such.
Not manipulateā¦ engage them in a way that gets you to see what i mean by how one may end up feeling over those rightsā¦ if it were themā¦ i meant no offense by itā¦ and it can be classified however i supposeā¦ but my intention was to tune into your emotionsā¦ not manipulate themā¦ to manipulate them would be to change your emotion from its original emotion to something elseā¦ and as a fellow og memberā¦ im positive your emotion in a moment like that would be the correct emotionā¦ not one needing manipulation
I agreeā¦ and i suppose yes it could have been possible stillā¦ i mean it happened in the 1st place etcā¦ was much easier this way for him though u gotta admit thatā¦
Dealing with the rootā¦ for sureā¦ thats where it should startā¦ its the true evading answer for sure
Itās an argument to emotion though, it doesnāt prove any point other than children being senselessly murdered makes us feel really bad inside. It certainly doesnāt prove that gun control can prevent terrible things like this from happening.
Iām not saying youāre intentionally doing this, but I see Sandyhook used to this end all the time. Especially by anti-gun lobbyists and I just find it in bad taste to try and prove that side of argument by bringing up dead children. Itās an effort to try and tug on peopleās heart strings instead of making an actual rebuttal to the facts with a logical informed opinion. So sorry if I came in a lil hot, if that wasnāt your intention. I just hear that argument often in these conversations and it erks me.
As we are starting to doā¦ now kids get to go through metal detectors before going in etcā¦ i guess its workingā¦ but what do u think its doing to the kids?
On the other side of the coinā¦ id truly like to see the ratio of people shot by their own gun by a criminalā¦ i bet its highā¦ and the ratio of peoples kids accidentally hurt or killed by weapons in the homeā¦ its also proven to continue onā¦ just a shame this is how we deal w thingsā¦ gunsā¦ killingā¦ its closed minded to think theres no better way everā¦ ya know? Even more so to wish for the moment to be ableā¦ (plenty out there)
And i feel like people think they are teaching some lesson when they kill someoneā¦ who is learning the lesson? Certainly not the dead guy rightā¦
Id just like to see more value put back into a humans lifeā¦ punishment is one thing and defense is anotherā¦ both are neededā¦
Gun control does absolutely zero good. Criminals dont abide by the law, we see this daily. It honestly doesnt matter if they have a gun or a pocket knife. If someone unlawfully enters my residence they should assume that shits gonna go south. Sounds like a solid deturant to me.
The issue of gun control is mearly an attempt to disarm lawful citizens. Theres a reason our founding father included the right to keep and bear arms. Using school shootings and and whatnot is a pathetic excuse to ban a gun or worse yet, a style of firearm. Im a former US Marine veteran, and i assure you, it doesnt matter if ive got a 22 bold action or a HK 91, i only need 1 bullet. The platform style of any weapon (AR) doesnt make that weapon any more or less leathal. People need to start taking responsibility for their actions. If youve got young children and there are firearms accessible to them, thatās lunacy. If that kid takes said weapon and hurts people, your a horrible parent and should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. No excuses!! Its unfortunate that things like that happen, but all because a few idiots, doesnt substantiate violations of my constitutional afforded/protected rights.
Yeah i bet people went overboard with sandyhookā¦ no it was not my intentionā¦ its hard for me to even fathom the shit broā¦
How can someone even have the stomach to do something like thatā¦
Its become almost a fadā¦ this school stuffā¦
Youāre right signs are typically thereā¦ and the parents are typically not doing their jobā¦ something is more broken than gun control thereā¦
I just want to reiterateā¦ i only stated why i dont like gunsā¦ and likely wont ever use or want 1ā¦ and wish theyd cease to existā¦ and they do 2 thingsā¦ killā¦ and empower the wrong peopleā¦ which is all trueā¦
This is where i call bullshitā¦ ive not been able to own 1 because of a stupid felony when i was 19 years oldā¦
This is true for ANY felonyā¦ so 3 duis? Youre outta thereā¦ wrote a bad checkā¦ now youāre defenselessā¦ it misses the pointā¦ and if everyone cant have 1 then i say its all bsā¦ (when i say everyone i mean within reason) its all a molestation of the constitution to begin withā¦
The truth is only certain people can have emā¦
It gets pretty stupid while its in place for some needed actual plausible reasonsā¦ hits the lot of people and is a complete mess as far as law and rights
No just done engaging with someone who got all childish and mad over a simple conversationā¦ soā¦ if im quiet concerning youā¦ know its because i refuse to entertain your childish responsesā¦ you have nothing to say unless you attempt to insult ā¦ i dont have time for thatā¦ i think call of duty is callin your nameā¦
Heres the thing thoughā¦ compare whats sold to the general population to militaryā¦ hands downā¦ broā¦ you got to admitā¦ it would be a complete mismatchā¦ the right to die by better weapons is all that would happen these daysā¦
āHow can someone even have the stomach to do something like thatā¦ā
These are the questions we should be asking, not what make and model of firearm did he use so we can ban them.
āBut gun control could absolutely stop thisā¦ā
Gun control could absolutely stop bad people from doing bad things? In this example, sure if you hit the magic button and made all firearms disappear from the face of the planet, you could have prevented this exact instance. Would it have prevent that deranged person from killing innocent people? Shifting the blame from the root problem to an inanimate object does a disservice to us all and doesnāt solve the underlying issues that cause these tragedies. The very idea of āgun controlā is a false sense of security in the first place. Will you ban all deadly weapons in your ideal world? knives, dangerous chemicals, bows and arrows, flammable materials? How about anything that could be used to make a bomb? Weāve seen a rise in people using cars to run through crowds of people, are we going to take those away too? where does it end once you start down that path?
Itās a truly sad thing, but where thereās a will thereās a way and we need to deal with the will to do these things in the first place or they are bound to just arise in some new horrific fashion. Ignoring the real problems and promoting gun control as the fix for them is just a backwards way of dealing with the problem. It puts good people at an even more significant disadvantage to protect themselves from evil and doesnāt prevent bad people from doing bad things.
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