once again, a Feminised plant is not necessarily an S1 ! you are referring to all femmed plants as if they are S1s which is stopping you from understanding my point.
A cannabis plant has 1 genome, it doesn’t have two different sets of genetics for male and female expression ! It is the single y chromosome that causes the same genome to express differently. The only ‘extra’ you could argue is the mitochondrial DNA which comes entirely from the female side and influences the vigor
the rest of your post is just anthropomorphising cannabis which is inappropriate.
VG.
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Of course if you out cross to other females you’re going to get diversity, your introducing new Genetics. But you really can’t work a line that way. Every breeding project that doesn’t involve a male includes an s1 to start with. It’s the only way to get the pollen from a female. If you proceed to outcross to other females then great! You’re creating new crosses. We love those! But if you want to really work a line of Genetics without introducing an outside line you need males. I don’t always want to create new crosses, sometimes I want to do multi generational hunts withing the same line. I need males to be able to hunt the full genetic potential of a line. Ever run a large room full of s1? Like 50 plus plants? I have. Several times. Very little variation.
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Yeah, you are correct regarding working clones into multi filial seed lines and I agree that it’s going to reduce the diversity quicker then if you’ll use a seedline. But if you have a line where you can get multiple females of that it’s, it’s exactly like using a male of the same line. The pro is that you can see what both females look like and smoke like, the cons is that it’s a hassle to do.
I think that we should appreciate a community that have a huge diversity of seedlines, where some have narrow diversity and some have wide diversity. Both regs and fems.
Sorry for misunderstanding what you where talking about 
Pz 
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Agreed. And no worries, I think I misunderstood some of what you were saying as well. It’s all a love for this plant and the community that forms around it that inspires these debates anyway so we are ultimately all on the same side despite minor differences of opinion. 
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It’s quite common in other crops to introduce outcrosses in a seed line (in a parallel line that will be merged in the main seed line) to mitigate the inbreeding depression or introduce a trait/gene that the line is lacking.
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an S1 is a the first generation of a plant crossed with itself. Reversing a female to make pollen is not making an S1.
If i take pollen from my reversed bubba and dust it onto my WR, i have made a feminised cross. There is no S1.
VG
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on this we agree.
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Triploid auto fems for everyone!!!
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For me personally as it pertains to being given free seeds, I guess I just feel more comfortable with traditional male/female breeding. Two reasons specifically; anyone that I do receive seeds from, I’m trusting that they’re doing the general enough work to ensure the parent stock is “stable enough” to breed with. Secondly, not throwing feminization into the mix just further ensures no inadvertent fuckery from the plant(s). I’ve had some FANTASTIC, VERY UNIQUE smoke from beans I’ve received here and, to date, no “fuckery” that I can’t blame on my own growing feeding or watering practices.
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Hell no!! Nothing worse than triploid genetics, I don’t even want anything from Humboldt Seed Company because of that. I’m going to chuck pollen at some of their genetics though just in case they discontinue fems already cut out majority of regular seeds. They really take off with triploids like fems the gene pool is going to be in serious trouble. I can see it now, new clone only lines of triploids, I certainly hope not.
Now I’m going to have bad dreams tonight. Lol
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That’s what I’m doing with this new brood tent.
Ignoring the seedlings, there are four separate strains (clones) and one chosen dad. That gives me one S1 and three new “strains.”
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There ARE successful (and wildly popular) strains without males anywhere in the last several generations. I can’t remember who it was (maybe Twenty20?), but one of them was saying they have several female-only breeding lines. So it is possible and apparently perceived a great benefit by some breeders.
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@bluntmassa just curious if you buy seedless commercial produce at the store? Not to cause a big stir but nobody’s taking away your seeds or right to breed, it’s merely an exploration as to what’s possible. It’s already being employed in other areas of our lives
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Agreed. I don’t have any problem with triploidy. I just don’t feel like messing with it. My son is playing around with it and says it’s a key to higher yields.
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It’s gona be a whole new type of seed/genetic to talk about:
“What’d you get, man? Regs? Fems? Autos? Trips? --you got the trip seeds, didn’t you”
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Old habits are hard to change 
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Both ways are honest methods. It’s a matter of choice, when there’s a choice to be had
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That seems to be the conclusion of every such thread I’ve read here lol. Maybe we should copy paste this every time a new one of this kind is opened.
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Hahah
Well… oldtimers learned to pollinate a few branches of the best in their patch for next year crop. There’s a lot of old farts 
The new wave of legal growers are often limited by numbers, and love the idea of feminized seeds to grow for smoke.
It’s all good
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Not if he was talking s1. Crossing two separate plants but not selfing.
I’m starting to think some ppl don’t understand and call all female seeds S1
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