ZAMAL from Reunion Island indoor (Mangu Carot) is the local name.

[Sa_01]

I THINK YOUR EXPERTISE MAY HELP AND THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

I am 1st time indoor grower with a big challenge. Please don’t ask me to change strain because imported seeds illegal here… Lets keep a challenge as a challenge if you call yourself “Growers”!

The goal is to successfully do it indoor, even with lower yield. ( because its barely legal here with lots of restriction, due to cultural disagreement, if a Zamal plant attain certain size (neighbor can report you anytime and with more than 1 plant in your garden you get raided by the police).
Its funny because Zamal is our native and probably the top 3 giant strain! Reach 4M+ tall!

In conclusion its better to stay way from it, and growers in Reunion use Guerilla technique to grow it and this gets things nasty, i will explain below.

Zamal, a rare and unique sativa strain from Réunion Island, is renowned for its exceptional quality but poses significant hurdles due to its extensive growth cycle. In its natural habitat, Zamal requires approximately 4-6 months for vegetative growth, 4 months or more for flowering, and an additional 2-3 Months for curing to achieve its full potential.

Many growers lose patience with this prolonged timeline, often harvesting early due to the threat of theft, adverse weather conditions like cyclone and torrential rain, or simply the long wait. Unfortunately, this premature harvest results in a drop in quality and the loss of the true Zamal experience.

By developing optimized indoor cultivation techniques, we aim to shorten the growth cycle while maintaining the high standards of this unique strain, making it more accessible and rewarding for growers and consumers alike.

This is very important to consider before we go further!
Please note that Zamal get (12/12 period naturally) veg and flower in this environment.
Our day/night here is almost equal with minor fluctuation by (5 to 50 minutes)
-Some says it is Photoperiod
-Some says it is auto
-some says it is Unpredictable Auto or Long Auto
-some says it is SemiAuto
WHAT A MESS!

These are my questions, and if answers correctly i may be able to grow it indoor.

• Flowering Triggers for Zamal:
  • “How, when, and what triggers flowering in Zamal?”
• Growth Control Techniques:
  • “What are the best techniques to keep Zamal’s growth in control? My picture of a bended Zamal for reference. Is this method effective, or are there better ways?”
• Shortening Flowering Time:
  • "How can we shorten the flowering completion time for Zamal?

The one in those pictures were adopted by me, they were on roadside. i put them Indoor around 7 days directly under 11/13 schedule.

But still i don’t assume it is correct as there are so many theories…, a guy told me its better to use 20/4 to make it feels ready the earliest (this is the mechanism that make it flower) since it does not take photoperiod…an so on.
Never knew this will be such a debate.

[globalhead]

Warm OG welcome @Sa_01
Thanks for posting your interesting questions about ‘Mangu Carot’ … the only expert on Zamal I know is my friend @CrazyLemur who is from Madagascar
You can drop by the Introduction thread and also link this topic.
There is also an Island landraces thread.

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[Sa_01]

Hey there, thank you for your warm welcome and contribution, really appreciate it bro.
Its very exiting to share this with you guys.

I would like to highlight that the Malgassy Zamal is pronounce as Zamala. Whereas the Reunion Zamal is what we called (Mangu Carot). They are very different although Reunion and Madagascar are next to each other. Taste, appearance, terpene, smell and colors not a single similarities. i’ve smoke a popular malgassy strain (imported by fisherman) and they are interesting also. They all seems to have a lot of pale immature seeds, the bud is always brown to dark brown, the smell is mostly woody and earthy, i know there must be others strain there as well. the one we have here we simply call it ''Malgache" not Zamal.

[royal]

I grew zamal - trois doigts a few years ago.

Grew it indoors 16/8 light schedule in veg - did not flower - so not really an auto.

Lots of advice on this site on how to keep sativas small indoors - keep the pots small and it will slow the growth.

Certainly you can grow it indoors, but compared to outdoors, it will likely yield much less.

[edit]

zamal has also been bred to other strains - to shorten the flowering time.

Zamaldelica - 11-14 week flower ; zamal x golden tiger
Zamaldelica Express - worked to F4 - autoflowering 75 days from seed to harvest

Here is night owl - with a detailed description of how he worked zamaldelica express - https://nightowlseeds.com/zamaldelica-express/

I also grew out zamaldelica express x tangie - pics below

[CrazyLemur]

Hello,

It might be pronounced like that for you but that’s not how we commonly call it.
It’s “rongony” or “moly” mainly … along with the approximate location of growing (north, east, south, cities)

“Malgache” is the french colonial version of “Malagasy”, things from Madagascar are Malagasy.

And frankly, there are more chances the Mangu Karot originate from here, Madagascar, than the opposite.

I worked with some weed/zam that smelled like mango and carrot multiple times… batches are always from different locations and mixed strains, it’s a bit hard to have consistent precise supply.

Thank you @globalhead my friend

[Sa_01]

@CrazyLemur Thanks for your contribution.

Concerning the Mang Carot, in Reunion they believe it reaches here by Indian immigrant (labourer) long time ago. Since India is the land with countless of different strain, many sativa there smell like Mango and Carot as well. But no one knows the exact truth since it adapted to our climate here and develop different characteristic. Our Zamal may be a mixing among african, malgasy and indian as well.
But i do know that Madagascar have interesting landrace strain as well, we just don’t have the chance to get it as i told you, only one Malgasy strain reached our country by fisherman and it is not the best one. I will plan a vacation there by next year i think.

By the way, can you explain to me what is this popular Malagasy strain which the malgassy fisherman always bring with them:

Brown to dark brown
Very thin
Smell earth and woody
it contains lots of immature seeds.
Inside the bud, there are many miniature branches.
you barely feel high, in Reunion people thinks it is CBD, the more you smoke the High remain at a certain level (very low) and doesn’t go beyond.

I’ve seen you posted it, it is below! I want to know more about it?. Does the Malagasy people love the high it provide?

Thanks for your sharing!

[Sa_01]

You see it is exactly as i described.

[Sa_01]

Bro these are beautiful

I know the Zamaldelica and it is quite popular. In Reunion if you import seeds, and you get caught, you get the same punishment as Pablo Escobar or El Chapo! it doesn’t worth it, for those who made it, they need to keep real quiet. Since the Zamal grow stray everywhere here, i want to mess only with them. Like adopting an orphan from the ghetto and turn it into a bureaucrat

How you manage to handle the Zamal you planted? what is the end result?

[Kidete]

I remember smoking the Mango Carrot last year in December. I even did a review on my now-deleted Instagram. It’s quite amazing and I remember it tastes like OG kush

[CrazyLemur]

Look here a bit more I explained what I know about cannabis in Madagascar, the effects the different types etc…

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I also didn’t post this picture.

Yes there is this kind of weed but there is others…
Yes they are high in CBD.

Our weed is indeed a mix with Indian and African. I am not sure debating who were the first is relevant. Madagascar is big and shows signs of life a very very longtime ago, smoking weed in water bongs 2000+ years ago.
Well if brought by fisherman the weed will be brown and over cured it doesn’t mean it looks like this when harvested.
Please look deeper in the topic I created.

You are a bit exaggerating for the punishments, La Réunion is French therefore French laws applies. If you think they are harsh, please look up about punishments here in Mada.

Of course we love the high

We are the 14th country in the world in annual cannabis use…

List of countries by annual cannabis use

[Sa_01]

@CrazyLemur

You are a bit exaggerating for the punishments, La Réunion is French therefore French laws applies. If you think they are harsh, please look up about punishments here in Mada.

This was an example to show you how bad things can be. For your info, i have a friend in St-Denis who bought seeds from Alibongo online, the seeds came but was intercepted at Custom Duty. They call him to collect the seeds personally, once he reaches there, they harassed him with tons of question about this " SOUVENIR COLLECTION"…they finally release the seeds and let him go with it. Because of this incident my friend was scare and did not germinate them as he was well aware as they took “more of his personal details at the Custom”.
After 1.5 months, a police team of 3 individual knock his door just to verify if his “SOVERNIR” is still in the pakaging!!

This is not a general assumption but since i am here and i know whats going on, its better we don’t mess with this. On the other side i am Malbar (In Reunion it is the local indian community of Hindu) which mean i live in a Malbar neighborhood, and among Malbar as per their mindset, you need to become a CEO/EXCECUTIVES and NOT WEED BREEDER, so if they saw the police always dealing with you, you are not welcome.

[CrazyLemur]

French cops are very annoying about cannabis , I once did 12 hours or so of police custody for a joint on my ear walking in the streets. By the time they caught me the joint disappeared they never found it, so they strip searched me. Then they “searched” my home and found some weed and hash, for them it was a bust when truly it wasn’t that much, free trip to hospital for drug tests. The doctor there asked me if they were violent with me or what and he refused to blood test me. It was a good man, seeing the abuse going on. As they didn’t have the proof they needed, they stole me some hash, they handcuffed me back again, humiliated me publicly, drove me back to the police station and put me in a cell.

They kept asking who was my supplier, had 4 or 5 auditions where I said exactly the same thing, what they wanted to hear, that I went to a well known drug deal spot and the dealer was a random north african immigrant wearing a Lacoste cap (lol), they kept putting me back in the cell after every audition, not happy with my answers. I ain’t some snitch as you wished sir. Cell was so small no windows, only concrete, with toilets on the floor. No shoes, no phone call. Racist slurs all the way.

I felt like the latest of the criminals while I was seeing them smoking the contraband cigarettes they ceased, stinking alcohol, complaining about all the money that were given to immigrants. Telling me openly they were above laws. They eventually got tired with me.

When I got out the police station, in the morning of the next day, I walked 50 meters to score another 200g (I never go to drug deal spots), as I was out, my shoes not even tied yet, chain smoking, quite angry and frustrated. I never insulted them or was violent with them. It felt very unfair. Had to go in front of a judge, obligation to detox myself off cannabis and pay a fine for use and possession of cannabis. Repression is not working. Motherfuckers.

Be careful friend !

[Sa_01]

You are 100% right my friend, this hypocrisy is beyond.
sometimes when we smoke in a park among friends, the police may come to ruin your day or they participate in a friendly manner to get free weed

Because its not fully legal, the cops decide whether to be your friend or your prosecutor"! it really depend on their moods of the day.

I want to be in Mada so badly bro! its my dream vacation since i discovered that Mada has more strains that this weird fisherman shit. A friend told me that Mada weed that smells like mango, have a very unique Terpene.

BTW, how would you grow your ZAMAL indoor if you were at my current situation?

I believe Mada weed strains is mysterious like in India, due to the shape and size of the country, you have plant with different characteristic and different light cycle and different behavior.

[CrazyLemur]

Indeed.

I don’t now about growing zamal indoor friend.

There is a lot of different varieties in Mada, from wild cannabis, to traditional, modern… Mysterious indeed…

Cheers

[Roms]

Welcome in OG @Sa_01

BTW, how would you grow your ZAMAL indoor if you were at my current situation?

Pure sat method indoor need 12/12 from seeds, then flip 11/13 after one month veg growing and flip to 10/14 in the next month.

Have fun bro, Mangue carotte, Mauve poivrée, Qualité tizane etc many variations in pure sat ^^

[CrazyLemur]

How could I forget my friend @Roms !! He will have the answer to all your questions for zamal indoor growing for sure !
Have fun @Sa_01

[Sa_01]

Thanks bro, will do this

[Sa_01]

Indeed! will be nice experiment