Cheap LED Strips : A Viable Alternative

I guess the discussion should come up on drivers and what can be paired with these EB series strips.

The Bridgelux EB Series Gen 2 strips run at two voltages

19.5v for the 280mm and 560mm ones
and 39v for the 1120mm ones

So your drivers must be capable of that as a base.

Now how many strips vs what driver your selecting or have this is how it breaks down.

The 280mm strips are 19.5v at 350ma nominal
560mm ones are also 19.5v but at 700ma “just a doubling of the 280mm essentially on the current side”
and the 1120mm are 39v at 700ma which again just another doubling but of the 560mm ones but on the voltage side.

So lets throw up some scenarios

Say you decide on a XLG-200-L-AB
Its stats are that its a 700ma driver but can run between 350ma-1050ma potentially
Its voltage range for constant current mode is 142v-285v

Insert math…
for the 560mm strips 285v / 20v = 14.25 strips rounded down to 14 "why 20v when the strips are 19.5v, im factoring in potential over driving and safety margin "
But base at max that driver could run 14 of the 560mm strips at there nominal current of 700ma, and because the driver can be pushed hard “if desired, but not necessarily recommended” it could even run them at 800-900ma each. The wiring for these strips though would be just a straight series connection.
On the minimum side not that any of us would be doing so with a 142v it could run 7 of the 560mm ones in series.

Now lets say we wanted to use the 280mm ones, them being at 350ma a piece and still 19.5v, we would need to parallel chain two series strings together to get up to that 700ma the driver put out, so those 14 strips max and 7 strips min of the 560mm ones now becomes 28 and 14 respectively, they would be wired up where you have two equal chains of strips that connected in series on the respected sides, but those two chains are connected in parallel to the driver causing the amperage to split between the two. Now side note say one strip utterly fails or gets broken completely causing all the current to go to the other operational chain, even though they are rated at being able to take double the current, and could potentially take more you have a chance of burning out a strip on that side as well. Would i be worried no, but its a minute possibility and even still if you have to replace two 280mm strips what’s the cost $6 ?

So lets continue on and say you wanted to use the 1120mm ones, at 39v at 700ma nominal, you could use 7 of those strips run in series to 4 on the low end as we have to round up to get over the voltage threshold of 142v.

So what about old drivers you may have kicking around such as the HLG series

Well so long as they can output that base 19.5v for the 280mm and 560mm ones or 39v for the 1120mm one you will be able to use them.

Examples would be any of the HLG-_ _H-20A or B series or HLG-__H-42 A or B series drivers , with the 36A’s and less likely the 54A’s possibly being able to be used, but they would have to be measured. Saying that specs sheets list that the voltages on those later ones will put out less than what we need, but and a big one here, the HLG drivers specifically the A series are capable of being over driven with the internal Vo potentiometer screw. So there is a possibility that they can supply the voltages we need for these strips and is really easy to figure out if you have a multimeter and a small phillips screwdriver. You just crank the voltage screw and measure the output.

Now saying that the HLG drivers in order to figure out how many we can run it comes down to division of the rated current range, which is no different than the XLG drivers but just on the voltage side.

So say we had a old HLG-240H-20A driver, voltage range is 18.6-21.4v with 6-12a current adjustable range.

insert math… 12a / 0.7a “700ma” = 17 strips of the 560mm, factor in some potential over driving if so desired at say 0.8-0.9a and we have 15 -13 strips

Wiring for these would be a straight parallel configuration for the 560mm ones and if using the 280mm ones which you would have essential double the amount of aka 12a/0.35a = 34 strips.

Redundancy wise if a strip got broken completely like the previous example, the current that that strip used would just be dissipated to the other strips evenly which wouldn’t be much 17 strips minus 1 = 16, and 700ma / 16 = 43.75ma increase to each strip, again minor, but the downside is the high amperage your running at “think big sparks” if shorted

So saying that yeah always keep safety in mind and do you best to avoid potential issues if your building an array.

But there are a few drivers out there capable of running these strips, i suggest the XLG series specifically the L format of them.

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Well, that was an easy understandable read, compared to the leanghty ones I just read! :smiley:

Thanks alot Spark’s! :slight_smile:

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I would still consider that lengthy from this one who babbles a lot lol

But may help some other.

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Boom, dropping the knowledge! :boom:

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Could you go to my thread and see the Quantum board DIY kit I posted.
Tell me what I would need in the Bridgelux to match it??? 620 watts Kit and board look sweet, but 720 bucks is 720 bucks!!!

IF you want to and have time that is!!!

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@Jetdro Kinda partially went over the same build in our PM’s but for others sake…

Looking at that, you wouldn’t want to be running it at that 620+watts will unless its set at that but i believe you can adjust it, but that would put each board at running over 150w a piece which is right at there rated max.

First i can’t comment on the r spec which is just added red but compared to there v2 qb288’s at 4 of them running near 150w a piece, your looking around 102k lumens combined going off HLG’s provided info.

To get that with the bridgelux from the spec sheets you would need to run 21 of the 1120mm ones or 42 of the 560mm ones.

So say paring with drivers and the ones we previously discussed, you could pair them with the XLG-200-L-AB drivers at either 7 of the 1120mm strips per driver or 14 of the 560mm strips per driver.

So Multiply that by three and we’ve hit our target.

Price on digikey right now before trump tariffs for you in the states, taxes and shipping is

$304usd using the 1120mm strips
or $330 using the 560mm strips

And thats counting 3 of the XLG-200-L-AB drivers

Saying that i haven’t added in the cost of some 100k linear potentiometers ($1.30 a piece), wire, and whatever material you make your bracket/frame out of.

But you should easily be running at under half the price.

Now to bring it back up, at this level you should think about that penetration vs coverage trade off that was discussed earlier and if your fine with that, mind you your throwing a lot of light regardless, me id just run the Bridgelux’s but i also am not running stuff at that capacity/size so i honestly can’t comment on how well it may work, but id guess it probably would work just fine and running multiple strips for me would probably be preferable over the 4 boards Quantums boards grouped together.

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Thank you…AWESOME response!!!

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Over here a decent size MW psu is stupid money… so being a tightwad that I am have been using these step up converters to power my Samsung strips along with a 36v Nemic Lambda Power Supply I got hold of… I previously was using a 12v server PSU however the amount of amps carried on the 12v line when stepping up to 46 volts was insane and I almost needed battery cables :grin: Also with any step up converter the amount of amps you can output is dependent on the step up… so the less you step up the voltage the more juice you can squeeze out of them…

With my setup I am running the PSU to Busbar, and then use the step up converters to set the correct voltage/Amps… These seem to be rock solid as far as I can tell, no failures so far over a good number of grows. I have one of these running 400w of strips and it doesn’t even get hot enough for it’s cooling fan to switch on. Originally I did this because I had a light with a number of LED’s, some COB’s and also some strips of differing voltage/amps, but it works so well that it’s the only way I would do it now… also it makes ‘overclocking’ the LED’s real easy.

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I was pricing some of these strips on Digikey this morning and noticed the Bridgelux EB Series Slim Gen 3 strips are available. Looking at the data sheet, it looks like there are some pretty decent advances in both performance and efficiency with this version.

The nominally output 4980 L running at 700 milliamps@ 38.2V = 26.8 watts. One of the interesting things in the data sheet is that you can overdrive these by LARGE amounts, with the maximum drive current of 1.7 A .

Over-driving LEDs for the longest time has been a rapidly sliding scale of what you get in terms of light vs what you waste in heat, this is a characteristic that all LED manufactures obviously want to improve. It looks like these strips basically have linear performance gain up to their maximum current rating… See here

So basically we can drive these strips at 1.5 A for a 200% output from nominal. i.e. 9960L without a crippling decline in efficiency, providing of course you heat-sink for decent thermal dissipation… i.e throw away heat fast enough via a decent heat sink… That works out $14.81 USD for about 9K lumens :grin:

These are only 12.7 mm wide so could be run side on a piece of 25mm C Channel 4 mm Aluminium…
Pretty cool IMHO. I think I will get some.

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Are the Gen 2’s discontinued? I have been piece mealing a new light part by part and tonight I see they are all sold out with no ETA. Would be a huge kick in the nuts if so.

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Riu? Looking into making the switch from hps to led so all the info i can get my hands on would be helpful since i know jack shit about led

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Check other venders. Someone will stil have some. These are not precise searches, just an idea of places to look. Try Google the part numbers, ebay, Mouser, etc.

https://www.arrow.com/en/products/search?q=Bridgelux&filters=Manufacturer_name:Bridgelux;&selectedType=manufacturer

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Yeah, just got done checking stock on all the other vendors listed on the Bridgelux website including the one you linked. All sold out completely across the board with no ETA. The only thing that seems to be available are the 560mm 5000K strips and the 9" strips and their numbers are also not being replenished. I sent an email to DigiKey tonight to see if they can give some sort of an ETA or explanation but I doubt I’ll get the answer I want to hear.

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I think we know.who to blame… Right? :grin: I bet there are many people who are trying @Mr.Sparkle recipe…

@Mr.Sparkle if you are reading this, maybe you should start patenting your light and grow setup’s, they seem so popular :grinning::grin::moneybag::heavy_dollar_sign::dollar:

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Got an email back from Digi-Key. Apparently they were due on the 14th but never arrived and should be restocked “any day now”

The current lead time for part BXEB-L0560Z-35E2000-C-B3 was approximately September 14. They should be here any day now.

Someone must have bought them all out then? For all SKUs to be out of stock after being so abundant, sounds like someone capitalizing.

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Lot of people seeing the thread or people seeing the potential of them as viable solutions now…at least you’ll get your strips lol

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Not sure if this will allow a “rival” board’s link, but here goes.
RIU=rollitup @Daytripr69

And, FWIW, that same site has excellent content about quantum boards and competitors in that market.

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That site is also full of bullies and complete wankers :v:

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Truth.
It’s easy to ignore them, though.
Read what you need, everywhere, and come back here to get answers for your questions.

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I will be ordering some soon, for my flower room.

May wait and see what the gen 3,s are like.

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