Are you using a terpene enhancer? You may want to read this!

[Pigeonman]

@GYOweed

want the patent and exact ingredients for terpinator?

I’ve been looking into Terpinator and thanks for this read!

I’m also looking into this:

DIY Terpinator style resinator

It is easy to make your own Terpinator style resinator, and it is MUCH cheaper than buying it. Recipe: 378.5 grams of Potassium Sulfate (aka Sulfate of Potash) 1.5 teaspoons of natural dark cane sugar 1 gallon of water Mix well until everything is dissolved and then pour in to a jug for storage. If you wish to make less just divide the recipe accordingly. FEED CHART: (NOTE: DO NOT mix with Silica - this causes them to bond in to an insoluble salt) Start with 4 ml per gallon during feedin…

But I ALWAYS USE SILICA… so I’m not sure if I can.

[Pigeonman]

And then there’s this rabbit hole I just found!

Making Your Own Nutrient Concentrates

[ABushOfKush]

@shag

Folks must not know that good weed smells like good weed not citrus and berry.

I do have to say that good weed absolutely can smell like citrus or berry. And overwhelmingly so.

[shag]

@Sbeanonnamellow

I’d imagine they are different than sugars to feed microbial populations?

Yes very different.

@Sbeanonnamellow

Would molasses be considered a terp enhancer? Sweet from Botanicare?

I can not be sure but probably not.
Sugar only really feeds the microbes in the soil.
For that you can just use sugar and save some money.

Are you using a carb product in your grow?

I have been saying for years now that feeding carbs to your plant is kind of a waste of time, unless you want to feed the microbes in the soil/medium. When I look at all the sugar/sweetener products on the market I can only ask why do folks still pay good money for sugar water? What are your thoughts on this topic? Do you use a sweetener for your plants? What benefits do you see? [image] [image]

@Sbeanonnamellow

How does this relate to terpenes produced by cannabis plants?

It really is not related, these terps in the terpene enhancers are not cannabis derived.
So they are totally different.
I would guess some of them could be harmful too but we need to look into that further before suggesting that.

@Sbeanonnamellow

has naturally occuring orange terpene profiles.

That is not the same as Orange oil, so it is probably fine but more research is needed to be sure.

@Sbeanonnamellow

High brix cannabis is the best terpene enhancer in my opinion.

That and elicitation work well.

Elicitation is a process of enhanced synthesis of secondary metabolites by the plants to ensure their survival in adverse conditions .

@ABushOfKush

I do have to say that good weed absolutely can smell like citrus or berry. And overwhelmingly so.

Sure, I agree 100% but they are not typical smells.
When you go to the store to buy weed all of it smells like citrus or berry.
That is what I was referring to.
There are soo many unique smells to cannabis and to make them all smell like something they are not is just silly, but it sells so there is that.

[HolyAngel]

@Sbeanonnamellow

along with their own unique nutrient regime and gardening style and it would often have a noticable similarity of uniqueness noticable across different plants. A distinct aspect of flavor and taste that was found across multiple variety types

I’ve found herb grown with Fox farm bottles all have a similar floral flavor.

I’ve also noticed a similarity in herb grown with jacks but can’t place or quantify it yet

I did NOT see that happen with maxibloom, GH 3 part/Lucas, canna products, house and garden aqua flakes…

[shag]

@DIY Terpinator style resinator

It is easy to make your own Terpinator style resinator,

This will make a carb product not a terpinator type product.
Sugar does not equal resin, so that needs to be considered.
Did you notice some of these products have pigments in them?
Much like the roses you can color your weed with food coloring pigments.
I wonder how they smoke…

Something to keep in mind…
These products do not list all of the ingredients on the bottle or even in the MSDS.

This patent seems to indicate 2,4-dchlrophenoxy and NAA are used in this product.

[TopShelfTrees1]

Don’t bother with Terpinator unless you really like lemon, makes everything taste lemony, even turned bubba into lemon bubba. Ugh @Pigeonman i actually have 3/4 of a bottle if you want it

[shag]

@TopShelfTrees1

makes everything taste lemony,

Limonene is probably added to that one.
The limonene structure has a chiral center, and thus it is found in nature as two enantiomers the ®- and (S)-limonene. Isomer ®- has the characteristic smell of oranges, while the (S)- smells like lemons .

[Fuel]

@shag

Again, please remember that since there are no long-term studies in place, the health risks of directly inhaling essential oils through vaping are unknown.

In fact they initially discovered this with patterns of health problems in the fast food industry (US). It’s quite harcore in fact. Specially in Asia. Frying fumes.

For vaped essential oils, it’s still quite a debate. But for combusting the conscensus is firm : it’s an absolute no-no.

[shag]

@Fuel

But for combusting the conscensus is firm : it’s an absolute no-no.

Thank you for that contribution.
Folks need to know this, the industry does not care they just want your dough.

[Pigeonman]

@shag

This will make a carb product not a terpinator type product.

@TopShelfTrees1

unless you really like lemon, makes everything taste lemony

Dammit thanks for the tips folks! I use my local-to-workplace hydro outfits custom salts; they’re discontinuing their terp enhancer “Terpz” (0-0-4) and i’m looking into a replacement as I do like what it does for my set-ups. (did a side by side years ago like with Budbusterpro to decide I liked what was going on.)

[TopShelfTrees1]

Very interesting

[Fuel]

Add an ion to K, and you have your terp enhancer with a good CEC ^^ No, i will not develop lol

[GreenHighland]

Considering they say not to even use essential oil diffusers around animals and to not inhale them at all or to have prolonged exposure i would assume vaping and smoking them is really not a good idea.
Prolonged exposure to high concentrations of essential oils is associated with negative heart issues and lung symptoms. Bad bad not good

[shag]

@shag

This patent seems to indicate 2,4-dchlrophenoxy and NAA are used in this product.

I am pretty sure these 2 can be considered pesticides.
I don’t think we should be using either of these in flower especially late.
Some of these products say to use as a flush as in the last 2 weeks.
You don’t really wanna flush your plants with pesticide late in flower do ya?

2,4-D can be found in lawn herbicide mixtures such as "Weed B Gon MAX ", “PAR III”, “Trillion”, “Tri-Kil”, “Killex” and “Weedaway Premium 3-Way XP Turf Herbicide”.

[shag]

@Fuel

Add an ion to K, and you have your terp enhancer with a good CEC

Very interesting…thanks!
That probably explaind why there is potassium sulfate in all of these products.

[hawkman]

here are a few other Terpene Enhancers:
Terpinator
Purpinator
Soil Balance
Snow Storm Ultra (Humbolt County’s Own)
Purple Max (Humbolt County Own)
Have used all thru-out the years with good success BUT it comes down to Genetics - like InHouse has killer terpe’s with or with out use of “Enhancers” BUT with use REALLY produce’s them there terps !!

[DirtySlowToes]

I agree with a bunch of sentiments here and agree that lots of nutrient programs result in a distinct sort of flavor. My buddy has used canna so long I almost feel like I can pick it out of a lineup, but it may be mental. Application rates probably matter, too. Anyway… I use flavuh from ventana plant sciences. It’s marketed as a terpene enhancer. I haven’t grown all that many cuts with it yet(7?), but I will say I’m very very pleased. It’s soy protein hydrolysate(proprietary) and KOH. Don’t love how they have their site structured, but I’m a fan of this stuff for now. Haven’t run a side by side using it vs not yet though

[shag]

@DirtySlowToes

flavuh from ventana plant sciences

A little tip here.

@DirtySlowToes

soy protein hydrolysate(proprietary)

This is for supplying amino acids and is this does not really enhance terpene production very much if at all.

@DirtySlowToes

KOH.

This is usually used to dissolve hormones etc and KOH does nothing for terps.
There are hidden ingredients in there.
Maybe even pesticides…

From the DIY patent link.

@shag

This patent seems to indicate 2,4-dchlrophenoxy and NAA are used in this product.

These bottled nute companies have been known to lie and have adulterated products.
They also care nothing for your health.
Please consider these things when using these products.

I can show you countless violations from these bottled nute companies.

[DirtySlowToes]

@shag

is for supplying amino acids and is this does not really enhance terpene production very much if at all.

It’s marketed as a terpene enhancer. The idea is increasing bioavailability. Just dropping in what I use. Plenty of companies are dishonest but that’s no reason to treat them all that way.

@shag

Maybe even pesticides…

This is a bit of an inflammatory remark. Also baseless. Not saying testing is perfect, but don’t spew things you aren’t sure of? I use organic ground oats as a top dress for the exact same reasons I use flavuh, but the usda is far and away more hands off with the oat growers than the nutrient makers. My two cents. Corners can be cut everywhere