I was gifted two lil baby bodhi plants today. Anyone know anything about this cross? Looks like Vintage Hawaiian x Purple Unicorn? Maybe? The gifter said it was a white widow cross⊠I guess I need to do some research.
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BODHI is an awesome person and an amazing breeder, i have a lot of his work in house. wish i knew how to get in contact with him these days.
very nice âŠ
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Right, but seeing as how âf1â is sort of the accepted nomenclature for the first generation of any hybrid in the cannabis community at this point, no matter what the parents are, Iâll just keep referring to them as âf1âsâ to avoid confusion. Thereâs enough of that already.
Look at the crosses. Look at the genetics. Thatâll tell you the âstate of the art.â
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Iâll see your statement and raise you haha. I like not knowing whatâs gonna happen and how things are gonna smoke from plant to plant. I donât want to grow a pack of seeds that are all gonna grow exactly the same and smoke exactly the same. That doesnât seem fun to me at all. And fun is all I care about haha. I like the not knowing.
âA foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds,â and all that. I realize that quote doesnât really apply in regards to somebody stabilizing a line haha; I wouldnât call real, actual breeding âfoolishâ at all. But the quote did pop into my head, so I quoted it haha.
Still, I like the hunt. Itâs fun.
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I get what youâre saying, but for me, Iâm hunting certain effects. Iâd appreciate being able to find what Iâm looking for easily. Iâd pay good money if someone stabilized the âtrip weedâ effect. Once I find a plant that has something Iâm looking for, Iâll be keeping it around for a while. Iâll still pop different seeds though, just because I love weed and itâs good to switch things up. Making seeds and popping those is fun too. And my comment was more about spending literal years breeding and stabilizing something and not doing it for effect. I feel like stabilizing for uniformity in other areas is more of a novelty than anything. Unless someone is trying to stabilize a strain so that Inuits can grow weed in the ice or something.
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it was also the accepted nomenclature over a hundred years ago 
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Bodhi stuff has the best effects ive had.
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It tells me jack shit about his methods which is what I was asking about. Thisis the âbreeders labâ not âBohdi Fanboisâ right?
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For someone talking about fanbois⊠you sure are acting like a stan. It wouldnât be too hard to actually look this stuff up. I have a suspicion you dont really want to know though and youâd just like to hate on bodhi in this thread but do it in a way where if someone says something, you an easily come back with some way out.
Heres a good intro
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If the effects are the most important clone everything. This will be way more consistent for you
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Um yeah cept whereâs the hate? I havenât said a single thing anti Bohdi. Just people who donât know shit getting all defensive because they obviously donât know shit.
Donât need seeds we got clones?
Every cross is an F1? Thatâs some kind of joke right?
Thank for the video but this is OG not YouTube.
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The answer you seek is in the video.
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Thanks Iâll check it out. Information was all I was afterđ
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I never said we donât need seeds because we have clones. I said we donât need uniformity in a seedline because people generally keep clones of plants they like. They usually keep the clones because thereâs something special about the effect. Iâm sure some are kept for the smell or taste too, but you donât often get the exact same nuanced effect from different plants of the same line. Thatâs why people keep clones that might herm. Because the high is worth dealing with it. They may grow similar, smell similar, taste similar, yield similar, but one might have something in the effect that makes it stand out more than the others, âuniformityâ be damned. You still need seeds to find that stand out plant though. Youâre putting too much stock in this âIBLâs for uniform F1âsâ thing. Itâs really not that big a deal and def not something that everyone should have to strive for IMO. Unless weâre talking about effect, of course. But thatâs just my opinion. I think people who breed for taste, smell, or bag appeal should start mixing vape juice instead. Iâve smoked plenty of stuff that was bred for those things that had boring highs that last 30 minutes. And making IBLâs doesnât guarantee that the buzz of the cross will be any good if youâre not also breeding for effect.
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At 1:02:08 Bodhi talks about this exact thing I.e selecting inbred lines because they are more uniform,
which of course extends to effectâŠsomething is either uniform or itâs not. I personally select based on effect as one of the attributes, but only one attribute albeit with more weight than some others. Way I see it is that to get a consistent effect, you pretty much need consistent everything.
It sounds like his preference is to work with heirloom lines where possible because they are more stable; and for crosses with so called âelite clonesâ. Then as you say phenotype variations are not a bug but a feature. He acknowledges that he works with poly hybrid elite clones and puts his spin on it because thatâs where the market is. Fair enough thatâs what I was trying to find out.
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I try to write as the condition easier, because complex sentences of Google The translator is greatly distorted ⊠even to the complete opposite of the initial content. So sorry if something is not clear.
In my opinion, Bodhi works with individual lines (directions or vectors) depending on what the end user is looking for.
As you can see from the total mass of its supply, there are certain directions, such as DLA.
The general and probably most popular work, as you said, is reduced to the âelite cloneâ crossed with a recessive father.
The end user will look for the name of the âelite cloneâ what he wants to try, because if you conditionally call this cross F1, then he will predictably have most plants similar to his mother (clone), much less common features, and very little parent ( recessive).
The DLA line is conducting other work and referring to it not inverted plants that have stable characteristics due to selection in many generations, but are used by Landrais, which have much more genetic diversity but more or less stabilized due to many years of growth in one geographical place (I do not know, there may be additional breeding in generations from Bodhi).
Most do not even understand the difference between IBL and Landrais or say between F1 and IX1 and I do not say that it is bad. They just donât need it.
Depending on what end result it is looking for. Someone needs as close as possible to the âelite cloneâ - and he has it, and someone needs seeds close to the âbaseâ for further breeding - and he also has it âŠ
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One glance at a list of his available (and unavailable) seeds on any seed bank website woulda told you that. Which is why I said:
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Methods bro, not ingredients, it ought not be a complex concept.
Whether the outcrossing comes from a polyhybrid or not, the 1st pairing will be an F1âŠAs for phenotypical expressions⊠you will still find varying results within any F1, whether they are land race selections or polyhybrids. The matchup of 2 separate donors by itself creates this opportunity.!!!
I hope this new direction you have taken produces some hits mr bodhi barndanceâŠđ«Ą
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I get what heâs saying. From a horticultural standpoint, there arenât any real F1 crosses in cannabis. We donât have true inbred lines, heirlooms, that produce the same plant seed after seed, generation after generation. We have variation, constantly. To be fair, the plant is an obligate outcrosser so it would be significantly more difficult to achieve, but the fact remains. Since there are no true homozygous lines, you cannot have true F1 crosses. Tonyâs work is probably the closest Iâve seen in modern times but itâs technically still not there yet and even if it was, heâs only done half the work. True F1 would require the other parent plant in the cross to also be a RIL at the minimum. Even then, the RIL doesnât produce like a burpee IBL would.
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