One glance at a list of his available (and unavailable) seeds on any seed bank website woulda told you that. Which is why I said:
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Methods bro, not ingredients, it ought not be a complex concept.
Whether the outcrossing comes from a polyhybrid or not, the 1st pairing will be an F1ā¦As for phenotypical expressionsā¦ you will still find varying results within any F1, whether they are land race selections or polyhybrids. The matchup of 2 separate donors by itself creates this opportunity.!!!
I hope this new direction you have taken produces some hits mr bodhi barndanceā¦š«”
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I get what heās saying. From a horticultural standpoint, there arenāt any real F1 crosses in cannabis. We donāt have true inbred lines, heirlooms, that produce the same plant seed after seed, generation after generation. We have variation, constantly. To be fair, the plant is an obligate outcrosser so it would be significantly more difficult to achieve, but the fact remains. Since there are no true homozygous lines, you cannot have true F1 crosses. Tonyās work is probably the closest Iāve seen in modern times but itās technically still not there yet and even if it was, heās only done half the work. True F1 would require the other parent plant in the cross to also be a RIL at the minimum. Even then, the RIL doesnāt produce like a burpee IBL would.
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Also dioecious plants are much harder to get to an IBL compared with to self pollinators for this reason. That and the sheer amount of hybridisation that has gone on makes it difficult, also there is the challenge of even getting to an IBL without ending up with a completely different plant and then after all that effort it might not even work out!
I have nothing but respect for Bohdi and his output, which is why I was trying to understand his process.
The issue is that often poly hybrids are often jammed together and labeled F1ās when in reality what you end up with isnāt and doesnāt behave like one, which is fine if thatās what youāre expecting, but a pain when you get 10 different plants from 10 seeds, at least for me anyways.
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I see your point, but for me thatās kind of the magic in popping a Bodhi pack too!
I looked at it like this, when I wanted to get a rough idea of what to expect from a Bodhi pack (obviously I checked grow reports) but then Iād check out some grow reports of crosses made with the same male.
That way you can usually see what characteristics are passed on by that male.
And from there itās fun to see what phenotype expressions you get from the pack.
If youāre looking for uniformity from seed, then I donāt think many (if any) of Bodhis work is for you.
Which is cool, itās not like every breeder can fulfill everyoneās needs.
Hope that made some sense and wasnāt just a rambling train of thought 
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from what ive grown and seen others grow, some 88g13hp crosses have certain uniformity where there was really one pheno with minor differences or two phenos at most in a pack.
even with the other males ive grown i havent seen wild disparity. 2 or 3 phenos at most in a pack. maybe i have to grow more packs.
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I heard on the podcast above that he is looking to release some of his more stable lines at some point , what he calls his ābreeding toolsā which he didnāt think people would be interested in for some reason.
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@the_bot you smoke any of those pagoda yet? I know random but getting some bodhi gems in a trade and pagoda being one of them super stoked on it
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That is true,
I was going to mention the 88g13hp in particular,
I saw similarities in some of my Mango Hashplants and some of the Dank Sinatra f2s I grew.
So even in and f2 the 88g13HP was quite evident.
Specifically with relation to the structure of the plant and buds.
I heard recently Nspecta (I think, or Matt Riotā¦Iāve listened to too many Pot Casts back to back recently lol),
talking about males passing on traits with regards to structure and females giving the aroma and flavoursā¦ not sure if any of that is true though 
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yes im far behind in my bodhi and doc d reports. but i recently lost my hard drive and a lot of pictures with it. I still have some cel pics and some written notes i can put together for a report.
so, what i can tell you is i had 5 females (2 were given to a friend so i havent smoked those yet) and 3 i grew myself.
scent/flavors are faint and not close to apollo (although my friend says one of his has somewhat a scent to apollo).
PAGODA (A11GF2 x APPY)
Scent: very subtle candy sweet, chem, citric
Onset: takes about 5 minutes.
Peak effect: Calm and strong cerebral high. Loses potency quite quickly after 30 minutes.
Landing: mild and long winding(40+ min). bit exhausting, its not a smooth transition
Pro: nice peak effect, grow structure is entirely apollo - pretty interesting (spreads out like it tops itself), yields well, medium density bud thru out, quick finisher.
Cons: faint flavor/aroma, floppy (apollo known for it).
Im thinking of keeping one, but i want to try my friends two plants first, as he specially liked one of his.
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Thanks for all the info and detail @the_bot hoping I find a nice pheno bās description of it really sold me on it your pictures of them that you posted where looking great look great going to be doing them up after blue Tara and white lotus that Iām getting as well going to be trying to make some f2s seeing as there real old hopefully I can even get them to pop going to use my sisters place to flower out males and collect pollen excited for this journey 
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Thats interesting to hear about the Pagoda.
Not entirely related, but I grew out a C99 from Brothers Grimm (one of the new ones after they remade it), and it had absolutely zero aroma in flower, and just barely a sweet melon scent when cured.
But the smoke was 100% narcotic, Smoking a J of it was like doing a line of coke.
Strangest high Iāve ever had from weed.
*edit it was the C99 XX
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they were def interesting to grow, and i do want to keep one. i think the key to them is having your drying conditions very well dialed in, i think its one of those plants where there isnt much room for subpar drying - and mine wasnt really up to standards. it loses the few scents it had with heat and extra humidity. but if i had found one with strong scent id be raving a a lot more about it. ill def grow it again thats for sure, my friends phenos also showed potential when i saw them early in flower.
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I have found similar phenos in Bodhi f1s, and plenty of similarities within f2s of Bodhis f1 Iāve madeā¦but I agree with everything thatās already been said about pushing lines further to create "uniformity "ā¦ research Vic high if you want general info about itā¦
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100% narcotic and like doing a line of cokeā¦ doesnāt sound like coke to meā¦
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Yea same. Terpenado was very uniform, same with Mago Hashplant. Chem 91 x SSDD had a few different phenos in terms of how the fowers looked and when they finished, but still very uniform effects and smells. q
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Idk about that but here is where inheritance gets a little tricky imho.
Males and females donāt contribute an equal share of the genetics because the female gametes contain mitochondrial and plasmid DNA within their cytoplasm, whereas male pollen doesnāt contain cytoplasm and doesnāt contribute this component.
Genes carried in the maternal cytoplasm may influence the hybrid phenotype in a major way, whatās called theāMaternal Effect.
This is why it makes a difference which plant is the male and which is the female in a given cross i.e. the female provides both nuclear genes and cytoplasmic genes vs the male only contributes nuclear DNA.
Here a reciprocal cross is used to swap which side of the cross is female and find out if there are any significant beneficial contributions from cytoplasmic DNA.
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oh and Mr barndanceā¦I know you hear things through circlesā¦if you havenāt already done so,add them f1 rks to your dietary list of magic for the masses pleaseā¦these inventions need your hand to spread!!!..I will put everything on theseā¦and you have many followers.!!!..knowing you though you must have these alreadyā¦lolol!!!someoneās been feeding cannasuer there meat and 2 vegā¦lololol
Iāve grown Hash D and SSHP. Def threw 2 phenos each so far from the packs. 1 that on both strains was bushy with golf ball buds. Other pheno was spears for both strains as keepers.
Edit: Another thing to add is the spear phenos had a way better terp profile. Going to be real easy to go through the rest and Hash 1. I just need to figure the wookie crosses out next. I have Pinball Wizard and 4 Play. Grew 1 Pinball and did not like the plant. Smoke was good though.
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