Very interesting dude. Great post. Read it twice. Although I am considerably stoned. Maybe once more wouldn’t hurt.
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Wow, thanks MGenes! I never heard of this yet. I’m about to start converting to all home made dirt and adjuncts.
So, this is used just the same as Myco and other bacto mixes? And, is it used in basically the same way? Would you use it at transplant and then around flowering, and flush… or just along with a tea occasionally? … I guess it wouldn’t matter but curious about how often you would use during a grow cycle.
Thanks again! I love learning these money saving hacks. Plus I’ve been all organic for a few years now so the more I learn to make on my own the better.
peace
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If interested in LAB and such, look up Korean Natural Farming. Truly an interesting method with FIRE results. If I had more time to devote to it, I would run KNF, but life is a bit crazy atm and I would forget to wake up without an alarm set
Sorry modicum, not trying to steal your thunder
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That’s what I was going to mention. Someone turned me onto that a few years back, but I never continued learning due to life changes.
The whole world would be better off if we all learned it and applied it. peace
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May I be added to this list as well. Thanks
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There are looking good mate, I guess increasing the beneficial bacteria population you will fix the problem, sure you will
I’ve got an eye over here, all the best
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Update coming soon tomorrow. I got some pics. N so far i got 3 confirmed males.
Stay tuned
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Question… Should i breed for bush or main cola. For those of you that are here whats your preference as of now they are untrained i have been undecided due to not knowing their sex. Well now so far its looking 3 male 3 females 1 squat runt that wont show.
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I would guess the bushy route but it may be the same regardless. 6 in one and a half dozen in the other…
I would grow the way you normally would grow for flower so you are dialed in, maybe? Like what makes you most comfortable. Just my 2 stoned cents. In the end, the amount of seeds may be no different for either method. peace
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Well since you put it that way @GMan i really meant should i super crop, or LST. I asked this because when breeding you have to pay attention to the environment more but for finaly seeds i see some growing in small cabinets and i see some in tents. For the ones in test do they scrog and for the autos and cabinet do they like LST. In the F2 generation it wouldn’t effect it To much But it would pass on some variables to the next generation. I want everyone involved in the preservation not just my style of breeding.
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I would normally be after main cola plants just for the way I grow but that pretty much goes against what most people that dont do SoG style grows want.
Edit; I think bushy is what you should be looking at for the masses.
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I am with GMan…6 of one, 1/2 dozen of other 
For myself, I like to see how they grow naturally as well as, handle training so I end up doing a bit of both reserving supercropping as a last resort to keep out of the lights though some routinely do it as it does give bigger buds though I don’t know how it affects seed development as most training is done way before flower and when in flower, the plants know what to do to keep going provided everything they want is given.
As far as the tall or bushy thing, that’s all down to genetics selected for no matter the training done… there is the epigenetic thing (environment gene expression) though even that is too new of a science to rely on. Healthy plant = healthy seeds right?
Speaking of, I decided this afternoon to scrap the DBHP girl in my micro cabinet. Too much torture given to be ok with pollinating her…she’ll probably abort anyway though that’s ok as I am working on a diy self watering system (my downfall in that cabinet) and have a few newly rooted clones to try again
Imho, its up to you though I totally get wanting input from the community as it is a community project. In the same token, doing F2’s isn’t as important as say, F7’s and most of us are simple pollen chuckers
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Alright i fimmed 2 of the females and left one to see the single cola expression
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Hey, that’s the sprit… one way to find out, grow them all ways! heh. Yeah,I believe MOTR has summed up sort of my thinking; healthy plants=healthy seeds. Damn pot seeds will happen no matter what! At least it seems that way when you don’t want them, lol. Best vibes bro! peace
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Didnt feel like moving to much around just for pics, but here’s the confirmed male photos.
Pics loaded out of whack will correct later.
Breeder note. 3 was tallest and had fastest growth. Proves so far the biggest ones are male. But now it has the fastest growth as its showing one full pollen staminate
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They look good and healthy. Nice ample looking stems. I probably missed it but are you collecting the pollen or matching all up? Probably collecting as getting the timing right with matching them is tough sometimes. Thanks for the updates! peace
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Well i was keeping things nice and slow until i finished up some a couple mother plants that was taking up space. I only had them on 12/12 for about a week and a half. ill switch them back long enough to take 3 to 4 clones appiece. Hoping 3 survive they will be labeled something like CB#4a b or c etc…then ill finish out the mothers to see taste and expression while the clone are getting cozy. And when i pick what i thought keepers ill do a full seed run on open pollenation to get about 1000 seeds out. Yup i think ill do just that @GMan
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Sounds good to me… I’m just rambling around smoking a lot today… too cold to go out. Although, I did this afternoon, and chopped some wood, with the maul, and I came in just before the heart attack.
I’m not anyone to be taking info from as gospel lol. I’ve only recently played with the males. Let’s put it this way… I have lots of new crosses, crosses never intended to be… heh heh…
I did do good with the female I wanted to pollinate, although every other plant in my yard caught some, too. I knew I was risking it but sometimes learning by doing locks in some stuff. I got a feel for how far the pollen went by the amount of seeds on the others.
And, privately, I’m happy to have some beans from lots of different females just for the grab bag feel of it. Mistakes, historically, have accounted for more than a few famous strains. Kind of like having some lotto tickets you haven’t scratched off yet…
I got lucky on my mom/dad timing for the f2s I was trying to make. I put the male inside the back porch, enclosed, and slowed all the feeding and watering down and it kept flowering but much slower. Once I saw the female was close I bumped up the water and some nutes and it went crazy. I brought the mom inside the porch and placed it beneath the the stud. He was sitting on top of a small table and her on the ground. I shook the hell out of him and spun her around. It’s no wonder the others outside got hit. I probably had pollen in my hair for a week… nah, not that bad. But not a super controlled process.
It did what I wanted and gave me 2200 seeds from the one mother. And a handful of souvenirs for my fun and others. They were both pretty tall, though, cause I grew them outside in pots.
Ok, my homegrown potency test is now complete… yep, that last bowl, a blend of 3, was indeed, potent… at least I didn’t go rambling on…
peace… 
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Did a little maintenance. Bent 2 of the 4 girls all the way over and put a bread tie. I waited to they were thirsty so they would bend all the way over. I put squat back in the veg tent to reveg her…i left one for the main cola but lowered the light to spoil her a little
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