Mostly referring to the back of the envelope calculators. There was a whole shark’s tank topic on this, a number of times.
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donations are one thing, but cuts of profits from seed runs or auctions “for the server” are another. People can donate to whatever they want, but they should understand where their money is going, and if they are led to believe one thing, when another one is true, then that is being less than honest or forthright. Lemonade Joe always sends messages to new members after a certain amount of activity or time (it’s probably a pre-installed script that does that) asking for funds, and as @BigMike55 pointed out he said it was to “keep the site running,” when in fact the server has been paid for long ago, and so has the XenForo license and mods he has added, so to reach out to new members suggesting that they donate it seems like he is asking them to help the community as a whole, and not to go in to his pocket. His business model is to build a community spirit and then profit from it - that’s the same model many other forums use, but it isn’t what is being advertised.
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Don’t hit the nail on the head. The hammer might come back at ya.
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Fair enough, I was not here for the famed Shark Tank. Have been through the garbage can though. Just one of the folks who realizes how costly in time and money these things can be. Nothing is cheap in the server world.
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Giveaways as well 
When soliciting donations some transparency would go along way. Like we are building to X goal to fund Y and Z.
As far as we users know he’s just lining his pockets. Transparency would dispell that notion, or prove it correct. Again it’s the difference of being a non profit vs a for profit, legally it’s a strict distinction.
A for-profit can raise money from private investors, for which it must give equity or dividends to shareholders; ultimately, a return on investment is expected. A nonprofit, on the other hand, can seek donations from individuals, foundations and corporations.
I’ve used many forums over the last 25+ years and I’ve never been solicited for a donation before.
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we have a place to discuss this because Joe is smart enough to distance himself from discussions like this, and as a moderator here I am sure you are fully aware that if too much discussion is censored or squashed that people will start to jump ship, like many active members have done recently.
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Nothing is cheap these days. I’m sure the costs are a lot more than 90% of people realize.
When I donated, I did it freely. I didn’t feel like I was being ‘charged’ to be here. Like I said, shits expensive. Members here are using this website for free. So I saw nothing wrong with giving back alittle. If I didn’t think it was worth my time I woulda said no, but thanks for offering.
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your clicks are attracting sponsors who pay him to advertise here, so you are the product, as we all are.
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Out of likes but I respect that. I did a server auction because I managed to earn much more for the site than I can afford to take out of my pocket. Instead I made an initial investment of funds and invested my time. I don’t regret it nor do I regret the one I have coming in Sept. Nobody has to bid on the lots or join in the fun if they don’t feel like contributing. I feel the place and people are worth my effort. I also contribute in other ways with a grow log, seed run, etc.
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It truly does feel like they are attempting the best of both worlds here, running a for profit business while still soliciting donations and not having any transparency. @LemonadeJoe can you please weigh in on this?
The more I think on this the shadier it seems. This is how OG will get shut down, avoiding the tax man by soliciting donations and running a for profit business.
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Pretty bold statement, no offense.
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https://community.mybb.com/thread-211503.html
https://www.seoclerk.com/faq/22276/Is-it-hard-and-expensive-to-start-a-forum
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I don’t think saying under 20$ to run this is a reasonable thing to say, because there is a lot of bandwidth on this site.
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But they own the server. Still say it’s 100 a month, 1 auction covers it for the year. The rest is to pay mods and lemonade joe.
Huh, some transparency might be helpful. It’s the main reason I personally haven’t become a regular donater. I see all this other money going into OG, but no idea where it’s going.
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Bandwidth and power costs a lot, I have a tiny server and that alone adds 90$ a month to my bill.
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This site really needs a laugh reaction for all these clown comments.
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we have this
How is that any of our business though, do you own stock in OG?
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That should be your avatar.
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There are lines, rules, and etiquette. You can expect such discourse that venture beyond those lines to get ‘squashed’, as you are aware. And, we do know that some will and have left because of it.
His house. As noted prior, if someone doesn’t wish to donate because they’re worried that it is being used in a way that does not align with their beliefs, well, it’s unfortunate but it is what it is.
Many folk have contributed the majority of which don’t feel that need for detailed accounting.
I, for one, am getting my fair use from this forum and have been donating monthly for well over three years. I could care less if it’s being spent on beers or a new hard drive. The site is running pretty good and he’s putting money behind that to make it happen. And, then there’s the future…
Imagine the alternative. A place like the farm, for instance. I’m of the opinion that this is a much better place.
Give it a go. You’ll soon discover following that advice from what was just linked will not align with what you had expected.
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