Just simply that, I likely applied some of my own thoughts to it lol.
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We were both wishing out loudā¦lol
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I donāt object to internal transparency in the least. Publicly there is some level of privacy yes, but to those supporters you owe answers.
And we get answers. Doesnāt matter if we donāt like what we hear.
This was the thread.
Since this is a community discussion and some have now let me know they are missing out because of how the trust system works, I moved this thread to the community section.
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Dude you joined in April. You werenāt here when Joe had his hand out asking for donations to run the server and using altruism and community as a front. I get not sharing business info, but dude is fucking dishonest.
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Almost but no, mate.
Weāre saying there should be no more money involved publicly at all. The money is the problem. If you wanna run an auction, pm the top 50 people or whoever you want and see if theyāre interested. Run it in a group pm the same way some of the group buys have been handled. Hell throw up a thread asking for interest and people to pm you. Can also do the everyone-buys-me-a-pack-and-maybe-i-grow-it-and-give-you-seeds-later, or whatever else you want to do, that way too. Just remove the money exchange from the public view.
If joe needs to run a server auction to save the siteā¦ thereās deeper problems 
but whateverā¦
He/TeamOG arrange that and make it 100% clear what the money is going towards. All the money gets paid through the OG donate page, and call it a day. Shouldnāt need to do that more than once a year as thatās when hosting is generally paid, annually.
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points up to where he said heās ānew-ishā
Didnāt og just buy a new server? I donāt think there is a hosting cost now, nothing beyond paying for the forum software licensing, electricity and Joe and the mods salaries.
I very well may be wrong, IT is not my forte
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Wow, Joe has been nothing but cool with me. Dishonest, perhaps I donāt have enough details but that statement just feels wrong to me.
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I agree I was just stating a alternative to the server fund scam .
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Loki has been typing furiously for like 10 minutes. Iām super curious as to whatās being written
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Do you not understand the name of the thread is the environment has changed? Weāre talking about how things used to be compared to now. You just want to make arguments about profits and running a business, without the context of where all these donations and auctions originated from.
Ok ,well if I asked for a bunch of donations bc I was gonna get surgery for some ailment I had but couldnāt afford it, and all my friends and family responded positively. So much so that 1 + year later they are still sending me money, but now I donāt need it, it just goes in my bank account and I spend it on movies, fun shit, whatever just not associated with my ailment. If I never turned the money down or told people to stop trying to raise money for me, would I not be dishonest?
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Lol, no heās not. But yet you have a place to post such bs. If you feel that way, donāt donate. Donations does not mean you or anyone else here suddenly owns the place and LJ needs to provide you with detailed accounting. There are other alternatives to keep the lights on, none of which would be appreciated Iād imagine.
For the IT experts, yaāll have a long ways to go until you realize the time, effort, risk, investment, expense, and infrastructure involved behind running a platform worldwide. Best way to learn, give it a shot yourselves. Some have tried, BTW.
Yeah, Iām irritated. I think I ate too much Taco Bell.
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When Joe reached out to me I was fairly new, probly 3 months old or so, he asked for a donation to help keep the site running. Hell I get lots of fun, information, an occasional freebie, friendship and comraderie. So I donated. I was getting a lot for nothing.
I donāt expect anything but what Iām getting. Plus I have met a lot of cool mofos here.
Having said all that, I do think $$$$ should be done by PM. My reason is thisā¦ OG was already shut down once. If we want it to remain active, the $$$$ needs to stay out of the equation. Any time money is involved in ANYTHING the government wants their slice of the pie And they get mad when they donāt get it.
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So you are saying he asked for donations for the big server upgrade and to keep things running and than just didnāt tell people to stop sending. Sorry but that is not the same as your surgery analogy. Server will always need funding, unlike surgery itās not a one time thing so I donāt feel those two things compare. In your analogy I agree the person is being dishonest, I just donāt see the 2 things as the same.
For the record I have been in IT for over 25 years and have done Data center support for major banks through many of them. I for one do have a pretty dam good understanding of the costs and time involved. 
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Seems like Joe is fine with us doing auctions.
Iām with big Mike. Iām done w this trash, yall can have your fucking auctions and donations if it makes you feel better, but donāt fool yourself that joe is in this for anything other than money. And thatās totally cool w me, in fact if I had his idea first Iād want to monetize it too. Itās the fact he put it on members to invest in upgrades and theyāve probably surpassed that request by 10x. All the while joe isnāt turning anything down. A simple statement that he didnāt need the donations or hey guys donations arenāt needed for infrastructure but ibrun this like a business and I want to pay myself and others- that would go a long fucking way.
Whatever, Iāll see yall in my thread this shit is stupid af.
Mostly referring to the back of the envelope calculators. There was a whole sharkās tank topic on this, a number of times.
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