Lucas Formula

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Lucas Formula

Contributed by: Snaps_Provolone Submitted: 15-05-2004

General Hydroponics Flora Series Feeding Strategy - Lucas Formula

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Vegetative cycle (18/6)
0-8-16 - For Flowering cycle (12/12)

The numbers above indicate the number of milliliters (ml) of Flora Grow, Micro or Bloom formulas that I use in one gallon (US Liquid) of nutrients.

You will notice I don’t use any of the Flora Grow formula, do not need to, the Flora “Micro” provides plenty of Nitrogen.

There are two ways to work with this formula:

  1. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected water solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. After adding back an amount of water equal to the amount of your reservoir capacity you should change the reservoir and put in fresh solution.

  2. Top off the reservoir daily using a pH corrected 100% strength nutrient solution as required to maintain full reservoir level. Continue to use this nutrient solution without dumping the tank unless the PPM rises above acceptable levels.

Between vegetative and flowering cycles you should dump your nutrients, then flush (possibly with Clearex) to remove salt buildups, then change to the other feeding program. Always shake your GH nutrient bottles before using them!

For young plants, just transplanted into the hydro setup, give them 50% strength nutrient mix to prevent overfeeding them while their young. Gradually bring up the mix to full strength as they grow over the next few weeks or so.

The lucas formula is normally intended for use with RO or near 0 PPM water.

NOTE: The Lucas formula eliminates the need for Epsom salts to correct (Magnesium) Mg deficiencies in most normal feeding programs recommended by manufacturers. Cannabis needs a lot of Magnesium to thrive.

The Flora Micro is providing the Nitrogen and the Magnesium in the proper balance, thus there is no need for the Grow formula and little or no room under the maximum acceptable ppm limit of 1600 @ 0.7 conversion.

Calculated EC/TDS levels:

EC microsiemen:
0-4-8: 946 S
0-5-10: 1184 S
0-8-16: 1894 S

TDS @ 0.5 conversion:
0-4-8 = 473 ppm
0-5-10 = 592 ppm
0-8-16 = 947 ppm

TDS @ 0.7 conversion:
0-4-8 = 663 ppm
0-5-10 = 829 ppm
0-8-16 = 1326 ppm

Addback Calculator - (For Advanced Users)

Say you were running the 0-8-16 formula, at 0.7 conversion with a 22 gallon res. When you first fill it up, your ppm will be around 1330.

Now you have been growing for a week, and some of the water has been taken up by the plants, some has evaporated, and now your res is at 947 ppm. You need to get your ppm from 947 to 1330. Here is the equation:

((target - current) / target) * 8 ml per gallon * res gallons = Flora Micro (ml) double this figure to get Flora Bloom (ml)

Example:

((1330 - 947) / 1330) * 8 * 22
(383 / 1330) * 8 * 22
0.3 * 8 * 22 = 53 ml Flora Micro

53 ml Flora Micro, double that and you get 106 ml Flora Bloom. So 53 ml Flora Micro and 106 ml Flora Bloom to add back to your 22 gallon res to get you from 947 to 1330.

Using Hard Water GH Micro

I had been experimenting with using the Hard water Micro as a substitute for the normal Flora Micro, this to account for my hard 350 PPM water and the lack of a large enough RO filter at the time. It has worked well for me. I just kept my reservoir below 1150 PPM @ .5 conversion and its all good.

One tip - do not pH down this stuff, the hard water micro will drop pH gradually over the next 24 hours, for example I mix up a batch, it is at like 6.2, the next day, its at 5.6-5.8 after running in the system for a while. If I pH downed that to 5.7 before putting it in the system, it ended up as low as 4.8-5.2 by the next day.

My conclusion, the hard water micro was buffering the alkaline crud in my water, it just doesnot do it ASAP fast like the phosphoric acid.

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There is incorrect information here. The Lucas formula never says to switch the nutrients between veg and bloom, only which to use in low light or med/high light. This seems to be a misunderstanding a lot keep passing on.

G-M-B (Grow-Micro-Bloom)
0-5-10 - For Low Light
0-8-16 - For High Light

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There was a Lucas formula posted where the 0-5-10 veg was called into question. This is a cut and paste from the read only cannabisworld site from Lucas.

Hello friends
am really enjoying watching your dialogue, and think it is all good with whats being said

the reason I advise use 0-5-10 for newly rooted clones is a fear of nute overdose. especially if the plants are under fluoros, or low light levels of hps, say 30 watts per square foot

Once you move to 50watts per square foot of HPS, the plants can metabolize the 0-8-16 very well.

You can feed at higher levels, but if it does not produce higher yields it is a waste of nutes.

imo there is a range of nutes from low to high, that work for cannabis. for example, some folks see very happy plants using 5-5-5 (those are millilites per gallon btw, 5ml=1tsp), but they supplement with epsom salt. I wanted to come up with a plan that allowed for shopping for a minimum of supplies, and the result is the 1-2 ratio of Micro and Bloom in the formulas I have adopted. In order to eliminate the need for epsom salt I used a spreadsheet like weedmonkey’s and determined that if a formula contains 2 teaspoons or more of Bloom, the Mg levels will be above 45ppm, and will prevent any defficiency.

At the other extreme, I used to use 5-10-15, but see no reason to any more since I get the same yield with 0-8-16. Another side benefit of using 0 grow, besides reducing stretch, is that the solution is more pH stable.

some of the original discussions on my nutes formulas are in the epsom salt thread in my sig. btw, in all fairness, they are not “my” formulas, just a collection of ideas and work by many other growers. Just trying to give something back to all those that have helped me all along. Pass it on.

hth
Lucas

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I use Maxibloom for Lucas. I’ve seen it recommended @7g/Gal, but I find that is too much N in flower so I use around 4g/Gal and add a touch of Koolbloom powder. Still messing around trying to find optimum, but growing some really nice plants in the meantime.

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When using Lucas formula, do I not use koolbloom liquid and calmag? I’m running RO in 100% coco under 600hps

I’ve been running the gh Flora series feeding chart on GH’s website.

use the kb
not sure if youll need the cal/mag with the hps

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I’ve heard that you do need Cal/mag if you are using Coco and RO water. It’s a modified version of the Lucas formula called Head’s formula:

Thanks man, just what I was looking for

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yup. many ppl get this wrong. lucas vegged under t5 and bloomed under HPS. hence the 5/10 and 8/16. and he was growing in coco via flood and drain…