The Central American landrace and heirloom thread (Part 2)

Well that sucks. Takes the wind right out of my sails. I hate wasting time and space for a hybrid.
Either mine are an ibl, heirloom or f1 then. Extremely similar plants so far. The leaves are all the same type. Light green but somewhat broad. I’m used to seeing Mexican hybrids all over the place in size, form, flowering time etc. Seems like some careful selecting was done at the least with this one, so far. Easy to know if it’s an f1 hybrid by growing offspring.
I guess ill wait and see what the plants become. Maybe they’ll stretch and leaves will narrow. I’ll
keep hope til I can’t.
If your photo is what hybrids of Mexican and kush look like, what a crying shame and a thorough waste of time. I don’t understand what there is to gain? No yield, little resin, lots of leaf, small plants. Were they really fast or something?
When and where did Pakistani hit Mexico in the past? I can’t find a connection yet. Only an old connection to Lebanon.

It looks like a feral kush

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Bro!
More than 60% of my seeds search of pure mexican sativas are hybrids. I wasted many time and resources for at least 25 years. But it the way it is
That’s i’m so greedy and jelous about my seeds
No easy job to find the right ones, always put my skin on risk and at the end no ones give you credit or shit, even worse! There are now people like the landrace team that without any respect put all on sale. Is really hard get the real méxican marijuana

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So my oaxacan had a bud at the bottom that looked well almost dead. WTF so I picked it really quick and I found out why.

this bud was about the size of a grape so hopefully… @upstate it has started!

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@420noob Congrats buddy. A lifetime of goodness if you take good care of those beans. Enjoy

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I expect hybrids too, but generally I’ve been pretty sure of purity before I even pop seed. This time I wasn’t sure. You have to take a risk to find the hidden gold.

Yeah, that’s rough. I feel you buddy. Western growers in general act this way, growing out a pack of Landrace seed 1,000 years in the making and when a stellar plant is found, talking about what a great breeder they are. “Look what I did”.
I will always give credit to the seed source and the indigenous farmers that supply it originally.
You are highly respected my friend. Maybe credit isn’t always given by those making money off your efforts, but the opinion of fellow preservers is what matters more, and we all think you’re Golden, and we all know the effort you put in. History will smile upon you.

Back to Mexico…The Guadalajara are looking good. Stretching nicely. The Oaxaca are looking good, too, ready for a transplant. The Chiapas are still short. Probably too short to be landrace. If 2 of 3 are pure, or if at LEAST the Guadalajara are pure, it will have been worth it. If I get completely skunked, that will suck lol.

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Well said my friend @Upstate I can’t tell you how many times I have seen this in the industry, especially in more recent years.

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I feel you there hermano. Most of those people have no fucking idea, not a clue. They’re just slingin beans from behind a pretty website.

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I have discovered some of them are severely butthurt over people like myself and others who do repros. I don’t sell seeds, never have and don’t plan to unless someday I create something of my own.

Yes, it is. Someone born in the’80’s doesn’t know what Mexican weed was.

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I was born in ninety one and I hardly know. Everything was brick by the time I was smoking. Crappy brick.

Then their heart is not in the right place. We don’t have any time to fuck around these days. Shits disappearing real quick. Anything that can be done to keep genetics around will benefit all cannabis enthusiasts at one point. 20 years from now, when my head is in the clouds from smoking all the kick ass new landrace hybrids and ibl’s that are just getting started now, I know I will appreciate the efforts of everybody that helped make it possible.
I feel the original round of hybridization has run its course or nearly so. Basically everyone wants to grow the same thing until now everything is nearly the same. Isn’t that the case everywhere? Growers swap genetics and choose the best performers And eventually end up with an heirloom or landrace. Here we are doing the same thing but the gene pool has narrowed considerably.
When I smoke dispensary weed, I get the same flavor over and over again. There is even less variation in the whole upscale market than from a single ten pack of landrace seed in my experience.
America has made itself an extremely fine " strain", Even if it goes by five thousand names. Time to get going on the next round

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Well how it came to us didn’t really matter so much, I had brick that made your hair stand up when you unwrapped it. Pre paraquat it was almost all good and sometimes unbelievable. Nancy and Bonzo deserve to roast on a spit for that.

Nor their heads. Should they stand too quickly they might break their necks. Their feelings concern me about as much as mine do them. LOL

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Don’t take me for an ageist, I’m certainly not. I’m just still angry about it. LOL

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I get you perfectly but certainly You still can get a high chances on countries like India or nepal that get landraces. But México is totally different. If You think about it, México was the first country out of the states to get hybrids on a big scale, so on a matter of landraces for me is like basketball cards, some are more valuable than others.

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@Elchischas No doubt. Hybrids happened long ago in Mexico. If it’s an old hybrid, I still have interest in preservation. @GREANDAL Just showed some great pictures of his zacatecas, Which is a pakistani heirloom grown in Mexico by the same family for about seventy five years now. It still looks Pakistani, broad leaves and all. If this Chiapas is similar, it’s worth keeping around. Fingers crossed.

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I’m glad you mentioned that, they don’t look Mexican at all except for the pistils. They’re flowering a lot faster than the Oaxaca though most are a similar light color.

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Should be a great breeding tool to incorporate mold resistance into a strain while adding Indica.
This is one of the few instances we KNOW where something came from and how and how long it takes it to change. 75 generations ( well, 75 years at any rate. No telling how many generations of breeding)and it still looks Pakistani. What would it look like in another 75?
I’m excited again about the Purple Chiapas. I’m ok with it being something other than Mexican as long as it breeds true and doesn’t mold. I’ll get some new photos.

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Somewhere I have a 5th plant. Looks like I included a plant twice as well. They are all very similar.

Oaxaca just hitting her stretch. Looks like a male and female to me. Fingers crossed I get lucky!

So far Guadalajara looks 100% sativa😁
Oaxaca is likely pure
Chiapas is likely hybrid or from Pakistan, though
maybe an heirloom. It’s supposed to be, according to the farmers, " an old one". We’ll see. Going to have to up pot for any size.

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@PineTarBastard oxaca x mulanje gold

55 days in flower.

I had a wee scare …I found a couple of spent rouge males who had dropped some pollen on the lower branches…I just cut them off…and gave them a good hosing…they were outside…and have been checking ever since and all seems well.

Spears are sort of Malawi leaning.

P J

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super stoked to get these going for some outdoor in a month or two and find some oldschool mexi goodness giving them a 100 gallon pot under the Arizona sun :grin:

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I can feel your issue @DesertHeartGardens, its only a Couple of Months away… lol
I’m working on a 2024 line-up as well and its almost thread-worthy… probably mostly fiction.

There is a question, do you have a rough flowering time for this particular strain? Hearing that your taking it outside will always get my ears to twitch… I’m looking to grow this strain as well. I’ve these beans also!!

Here’s to good planning

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These are a bit longer at 13-16 weeks excited to get into some longer flowering stuff starting planning now so I have the best chance at a good run :grin:

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I’ll raise a Nug to that @DesertHeartGardens Lets Giv’r

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