Still doesn’t make any sense that he ran off just to make ~$500 in shipping fees that he held on to.
Seeds are a lot like bottled water in that they’re essentially worthless until they are sold for the most part, and there is no way to just liquidate that kind of haul onto the market quietly.
Hope all is well with Hugh.
People do worse for less. ~$800 in his account and ~5,000 seeds. It wouldn’t surprise me the slightest. It wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been mislead, and I guarantee it wouldn’t be the last. I’ve chalked it up as a loss. Unfortunately, I’ll be more weary of entering these seedruns.
Honestly I have total faith that things will work out and i’m not even stressed about it at all. I like to hold the vibe that everything is happening as it is supposed to. I’ve thrown away way more money doing stupid ass shit in my day. I wish the best for everyone involved.
I think we all should try to hold more positive energy, as I believe in manifestation and the energy you put out returning back to you. That’s just me anyway.
Much love everyone hope you are all having a good Monday!
I agree it’s not Mc Donald’s good things come to those that wait! Even if the wait is longer than you think is necessary.
Not for 1 minute has it crossed my mind that the group is gonna get screwed just think about it put yourself in the position of having to count and package all those seeds and label them then address envelopes stamp them and mail out not one strain but 3 different pheno’s so triple the work! On top of that count and package up and mail to Europe and Canada people as well.
Yeah no joke. I grew 3 different plants with only 1k seeds per plant, and it took me a couple weeks to package all of them up working 2-4hrs at a time. It’s just not some quick and easy thing to do. Shipping 25 sets out took another couple few days for me to do. So adding 100+ shipments to that with 2k more beans on top, while working 3rd shift with family and kids… It’s just gonna take some time guys. There’s no two ways about it.
OK, first - let me preface this with the fact that I have full faith that Hugh has not absconded. That doesn’t mean I’m not worried. I am. I’m worried about his security having been compromised, as well as the security of everyone who sent Hugh their address and is not a legal grower. But…
You wanna see something weird?
That’s Hugh’s last post on OG, which was in a PM thread for this group buy. It was posted on MAY 11, 2021
Below is Hugh’s first post ever on OG 2.0. It was posted on May 11, 2020!!
This was my only chance to get some real fire from a quality breeder. I refuse to pay insane prices for 5-10 seeds.
We have all been gifted high quality beans from other users here but, that’s not the same thing that the breeder sold them.
Hope everything is well but this no contact is BS.
Family and life, well I got health problems, had to care for and watch my mother die, buried her, and moved all in the time hugh has been radio silent.
Unless he is in a coma, we should have at least heard a sob story.
Agreed!
And Sorry for your loss 
Sorry about your loss-
It hurts to lose your mother…
Thank you both @Vagabond_Windy and @vaportrail.
I didn’t say that for the sympathy or well wishes, just as an example that we have all been thru tough shit, but you gotta keep on keeping on!
Again thanks all the same bros.
Hahaha maybe two more weeks. Hahahahahaha
Damn, @corgitron that is most devious of you I have never tried any of Tony’s gear.
So if you want to, you can surprise me. LOL the 9th is my B-day. 
Having lost a parent is rough on your spirit, hang in there man, my condolences.
What a blessing it is to make another Bday…
Yes sir, make the most of every day you have that breath of life!!
Grace and Peace Brother
Thank you @iggypuffs
You know man, how the weirdest things can bring it all right back.
She passed the day before her 72nd birthday, but at least she was with us talking and laughing on Mothers Day.
Be Thankful for what you get each day!
if they merely decrim it I bet they still grab seeds
The subject of cannabis policy reform is littered with complex jargon and confusing terminology. Though no two terms provoke more confusion and misunderstanding than “legalization” and “decriminalization.”
As the race for the White House heats up, the question of future cannabis policy reform in the United States is a seriously hot topic right now. Particularly given how Joe Biden has hinted as widespread cannabis decriminalization, though nothing close to legalization, if he gets the job later this year.
But what exactly does decriminalization mean? More importantly, what (if anything) is the main difference between decriminalization and legalization?
Decriminalization and Legalization Are Not the Same Thing
Contrary to the common misconception, decriminalization and legalization are actually two entirely different concepts. With decriminalization, the clue is in the name itself - an alteration to cannabis policy that results in small-time cannabis possession and use no longer being a criminal offence.
The simplest comparison would be something like a speeding ticket or a citation for littering. You’re technically breaking the law in both instances (speeding and littering are illegal), but you won’t end up with a criminal record or face the prospect of jail time. Instead, you’re slapped with a fine and told not to do it again.
Where cannabis is decriminalized, it’s pretty much the same - you face a civil fine when caught with small quantities on your person, on the strict condition that it is exclusively for personal use.
However, what constitutes ‘for personal use’ in terms of the quantity you’re carrying differs significantly from one jurisdiction to the next. As do rules regarding where you decide to consume your cannabis and the method by which you’re transporting it (driving with an open cannabis container is illegal in most places).
Legalization of Cannabis
The difference is that with legalization, you’re permitted to carry, consume and (sometimes) grow certain quantities of cannabis, without facing any fines or penalties whatsoever.
Where cannabis is decriminalized, you could still end up with a criminal record or jail-time by pushing things past very strict personal use limitations. Where cannabis has been legalized, you’d have to take things to extremes to end up in trouble.
Decriminalize vs Legalize
As to which of the two works best, the answer is a simple case of common sense. To decriminalize cannabis is to more or less acknowledge the fact that it’s neither a harmful substance nor a threat to society as we know it. The problem is that even when cannabis is decriminalized, there’s still technically no way of getting hold of the stuff legally.
If anything, decriminalization plays directly into the hands of the black market, fueling demand among dealers and growers operating illegally. All of which leads to one massive headache for the jurisdiction in question, along with incalculable losses of potential tax dollars.
When cannabis is legalized, it can be regulated, subjected to extensive quality and safety checks, controlled, monitored and taxed. The simple fact of the matter being that if people want to get hold of cannabis, they’re going to do so - one way or the other. Decriminalization more or less gives folks the green-light to light up (carefully and discreetly), though gives them no legal outlet to score the stuff they need.
Read the Rules Carefully
In any case, it’s important to remember that with both decriminalization and legalization, different states impose very different rules. What’s 100% legal in one state could (literally) see you headed to jail for the best part of a decade a couple of miles away over the nearest state line.
For the time being, therefore, taking things for granted isn’t a good idea. It remains to see how Biden handles the whole thing if he ousts Trump, but early indications point to a slightly less confusing future for US cannabis policy.
@Hugh_Glass hit me up and said that he was thinking about starting a seed company called Hugh Glass’s Tortured Beans. Mentioned something about breeding a GG4 RIL. I told him it had most likely been done before, but I wished him well in his venture all the same.
In all seriousness, @Hugh_Glass, you still out there? Positive vibes…
~nugzz
Decriminalizing or legalizing makes no difference, they will always grab beans crossing the border. They do it for agricultural restrictions, not weed laws. At least that’s how I understand it. It’s the department of agriculture that takes and destroys them as they are not certified pesticide free.
I think it is certifying they are free of pests and transmissible disease
I think you are right about that, I know they need a certificate stating they are pesticide free as well. While these laws screw with us cannabis growers they do serve a purpose.
I think it’s safe to say at this point that something has gone wrong here and this is dead. The only GG4 I really wanted was from @Tonygreen. Definitely disappointing.
