Thanks, I was starting to feel like the minority. 
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This thread makes me 
Self diagnosed seed junky here
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Me too, but it needs to be discussed.
I know one close friend that left here because of the scammers.
I tried to get him to come back he refused.
I fear we may lose more of the good ones in the near future.
The same thing happened to ICmag.
It was the greatest source for cannabis knowlege for a while.
Now it is Trollit up 2.0
@ifish has voiced he is unhappy. 
So I ask you, should we cater to the good folks that are helpful/beneficial to the community or should we cater to the leaches of the world?
I think we can all agree, we need to support those who support this community or we can expect it will collapse like the others in the past.
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Seriously man. You deep dive like a mothafucka. Gotta luv ya @shag 
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I am sure I am a thorn in the side for more than a few. 
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I love ya Shag, I really do, but I think you’re taking this way too personally. There is absolutely no way to weed out all the bad actors. It’s a risk you have to be willing to take.
Could things improve? When it comes to trading, no. That’s a risk on the trader. Don’t trade with or for what you can’t afford to lose. The site has no control over that.
If people are willing to part with their seeds out of the kindness of their hearts, and damn, bless their hearts, there are many here that do, then why would you care?
The site is based around cannabis, not seeds. Seeds are a large part of it, but there is so much more than that. If your friend left because he was being scammed for seeds, then he was only here for the seeds. He’s part of the problem.
Many people come here for the camaraderie, friendship, cooking tips, wiring ideas, you name it. Life is too short to get bent about cannabis seeds.
Positive vibes
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@shag I completely understand your point of view. I think we should absolutely cater to the people who are contributing here. So many intelligent interesting people on here. Some I’ve had interacted with some I’m sure I’ll interact with in the future.
I’m not sophisticated enough to track IP address and such. I really don’t want to spend the time doing so either.
Out of all the forums I lurked on THIS is the BEST one hands down. It’s why I joined here and not the others.
So I want to say how much I appreciate everyone on here. Some of you are absolutely inspiring to me
@shag @DougDawson @G-paS @JohnnyPotseed @THCeed @Budderton @MoBilly @Cartwright @Carty @CADMAN @Pigeonman @Foreigner and so many more but I can’t list them all here tonight.
I appreciate you all! Thank you for chance to know and develop relationships with you all.
Apologies for the many I didn’t list.
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You flatter me sir. I thank you for saying so.
If I may add Overgrow and CBC are the only corners of the internet I frequent. Everything else is self serving scummy noise. This place rules.
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Hey @shag what’s going on? I didn’t read the whole thing. Your friend peace out because of some vultures? I started using the pip method and saying hey your newish and have small pips, meaning not much time spent here. Anyways, always have them send first. Then you send. No problem with that. Dude just hooked it up with a super nes. A nes. A joystick. And like 20 games. All boxed. He had only been here for a few days and hit me up, I said send first. Then I will. Well I shit you not the whole package came. Then I sent my end and we’ll, now I’m playing super Mario bros 
some stuff works out. But I feel it on the vultures. I kinda have strayed away from giveaways after a bunch of scammers. Only trading for now on. Sorry for the book, but this damn edible hasn’t kicked in yet 
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the only way to curb these things is to make the seed giveaway section and the co-ops a locked feature until a member shows contribution to the site.
probably not a popular idea and it would also require a team of moderators to vet each person who gets thier key to the gate.
Otherwise we all just have to make our own rules for the seeds we give away and leave it at that.
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Not really, I am more pissed this sorta thing happens to other folks than if it happens to me.
I can take care of myself.
Hell I have my own island here just for that purpose.
I really despise those that purposfully decive others.
While that may be true I can weed out 90% of them or at least I have so far.
I really don’t if they don’t care but some do and they have spoken up.
Let us just say I have their back on this one.
For the record my friend left because he refused to associate with scammers.
He is certainly not part of the problem.
He is one of the most giving folks I know and I owe him a bunch at this present moment.
See this is where the misunderstanding comes in.
This is not at all about a few measly cannabis seeds, not by a long shot.
This is about doing the right thing and protecting the community.
If you all wanna leave your doors open so these folks can take what they want, I will stay out of the way if you ask me to.
But I can not just stand around and watch good generous folks get taken advantage of.
This is not an isolated incident.
This sorta thing has happened to just about everyone I know.
There is a lot of unsavory characters out there.
What in the world is wrong with shining the light on their dirty deeds.
It almost seems like folks are defending these purposely deceitful members.
I am kinda puzzled that folks think lies and deciept on any scale is acceptable.
If ya’ll are supporting lies and deciept I may just need to keep a greater distance from ya’ll then, cause I want no part of that shit, and if you do you ain’t no friend of mine I don’t care how much you give or how nice you are.
If you are down with purposeful lies and purposeful deciept I have to tell you good bye.
Not speaking of anyone personally there, but if the shoe fits, get to walkin’… 
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When I arrived at OG I was a terrible grower with nothing to my name, growing random bag seed, and having nothing of value to contribute.
Then I got some seeds. I learned how to build an LED, I learned how to make a better organic soil mix. I started a journal.
Fast forward 794 days. I’m still a terrible grower with nothing of value to contribute to OG, and more seeds than I can grow in a lifetime with a four plant limit in a cramped bathroom. Am I a lousy member?
PS - wasap dudes? When are we having fun in here?
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I’m having fun!!! Edible is knocking!
Edit ps… wasssup
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Every time you say this I giggle.
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So he was only here for the seeds. There are many other topics to discuss here.
I haven’t heard one person that gives seeds away on a regular basis here complain. In fact, it’s been just the opposite. Once they leave their hands, they don’t care what people do with them.
Who are you protecting?
I have no idea why you would even think that. You are talking about scammers. People that scam you out of seeds. I would never trade seeds with anyone that didn’t have reputation here. You could be getting dirt weed seeds, how could you tell? That’s on the trader. I’m not defending them, I’m saying there is absolutely no guarantee you are going to get the seeds you think your getting, if any at all.
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If you are asking me…
I just took less than 30 seconds to look over your profile.
I am good with your participation, you are a contributor to this community.
We all contribute in our own way, it does not need to be monetary.
To be clear you and those like you are not who we are refering to in this post
I agree that would be best, but it ain’t gonna happen.
When I first arrived here I proposed something very similar to LA joe.
It was not found favorable, so I started the island project.
They all said it would fail, they all said they had issues with who gets to pick who stays and who goes.
They said it would never work out too many people with too many opinions.
It ain’t perfect but it is working and security seems pretty darn tight dispite accepting a whole lot of newbies with absolutly zero street cred recently.
I ask you…"Is it better to be scammed or to be wipped into a frenzy and be protected from being scammed?
Folks we are just weeding out the rats here.
Like I said we just need to have awareness of the issue and act accordingly.
No one is saying to get all crazy and reboot the site or anything even close.
What we are saying is…Let us weed out the scammers so we have a better community in the long run.
And I really don’t think lies and purposful deceit should be accepted, I certainly do not.
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I think I speak for everyone when I say that @lophophora should try harder.
Look we all have different expectations and it’s foolish to not acknowledge that there are shitty people in the world. It’s also foolish to think we can change that.
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No, I made it clear, if you chose to be stuck on that then fine.
I told ya he was a good dude, that should be good enough.
He was absolutely not here for the seeds, that should be easy to understand…I hope…LOL
You are not understanding, he left on principal.
He is a giver not a taker.
You may not be listening.
I can name 3 off the top of my head.
This is try number 4 for this statment…
Are you folks good with members collecting 100 packs in a month and selling them for hundreds or thousands of dollars?
You folks really don’t care about that.
That is what is happening here, make no mistake.
Where exactly do you stand on this please clairify as it seems you are good with this action.
My friends and family.
Do you take issue with that?
It seems to me you do.
You really have no idea?
Really?
Everytime I state we need to rid this palce of lies you don’t seem to support the idea or take my side, so I must assume you support the other side.
It is a logical conclusion…no?
There are no guarantee in life and I don’t need a garentee if I have trust.
I always get the seeds I expect, I don’t deal with those that are purposely deceitful.
I feel they have no place in a trusted community.
Would that not be a better world for you to be in also.
We seem to disagree but have the same values, I am really confused. 
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We need some kind of public shaming of these seed vultures. Maybe an updated list of bad apples or suspects?
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Not so much a public shaming but public awareness and scam prevention.
That is all that is being suggested here.
But some folks are acting like I am suggesting we outlaw seed giveaways.
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