Can Hydroponic Growing Ever be considered Organic?

OK @Calyxander, I’ll go first. Here is a link to an article discussing whether hydroponics can be considered organic. I found it interesting.

#hydroponic’s organic label is all wet

###By Barbara Damrosch February 19, 2014

Hydroponic gardening could not be more different from organic gardening if it tried. Maybe you’ve seen a hydroponic greenhouse operation, or a home gardener’s kit, in which plant roots are bathed in a solution of chemical fertilizers but never come into contact with any soil. It is a clever and useful system that can be used in places where the soil is contaminated, or one where a living soil does not exist, such as Mars.

Organic gardening, on the other hand, is a practice in which we participate in a natural system already in place, and it is complex beyond our ability to know. The living interactions of microbes, animals and plants in the soil are what created Earth’s atmosphere and keep it livable. If we don’t disrupt them, they give us healthful food with all the nutritional subtleties we’ve evolved to need.

According to James W. Brown, writing on the Web site of CropKing, a company that sells greenhouses and hydroponic equipment, the word hydroponic suffers from an image problem that the word “organic” might correct. By using a system whereby certain bacteria digest organic matter to create nutrients in a separate location, which are then “delivered to the plant via solution,” growers can “market their produce as being organic because that will command a premium price.” The process, says Brown, is “certifiable under the guidelines of the National Organic Program” (NOP).

But that’s just because the NOP is dragging its feet. Only recently have hydroponic growers become significant players and begun to avidly seek the organic label.

The NOP, as originally created, was designed to promote and protect the cultivation of food without chemical aids, in a way that helps keep Earth in ecological balance. Congress established a National Organic Standards Board (NOSB) to advise the NOP, consider new developments and invite public involvement. For the most part, over the years, the NOP has followed its recommendations.

In 2010 the board members, after weighing response from extensive public hearings, voted 12 to 1 to exclude hydroponics from organic certification. But this time they were ignored. Says board member Jay Feldman: “When you take the decisions away from the board, you erode public confidence in what organic is believed to be.”

Most countries do not let any hydroponically grown food be sold as organic. But now Mexico, Canada and Holland have entered our markets with a label that they are not allowed to use at home.

Organic is not just about safe, unsprayed food; it’s much bigger than that. A synonym for it might be “the way the natural world does business,” and the natural world is not scenery. It’s not a national park. It’s our planet. It’s the cooperative interactions of thousands of species in the soil: the worms, snails, moles, beetles, ants, protozoa, algae, bacteria and fungi — all living, dying and recycling nutrients to create an ecological balance. Without all that, we’re just a rock in space.

If you have a similar view, you can share it with the USDA by going to www.keepthesoilinorganic.org. I’m not against progress and innovation. I grow some of my food in a greenhouse, organically, with well-composted soil, and if someone else wants to grow hydroponic lettuce in theirs, that’s fine.

Just don’t call it organic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/home/hydroponics-organic-label-is-all-wet/2014/02/18/e5d174f6-91f2-11e3-b3f7-f5107432ca45_story.html

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Actually I saw in the news this very day according to the FDA aeroponics is out while hydroponics is in

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I moved @oleskool830 posts and workable link article to Shark’s Tank because I know that this issue can become exceedingly contentious.
I created this thread within the confines of the Shark’s Tank in order to preserve the excellent decorum and harmonious interaction underway in the general forums.

This being said, I am in full agreement with the author of the article.
The means by which hydroponics delivers vital nutrients to plants cannot be considered organic (natural). Mother Nature never devised a natural nutritional delivery system akin to hydroponics.
So hydroponics have to be considered to be unnatural, and therefore not organic.
Of course, this is only my opinion.

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My apologies. Did I misunderstand the topic? Not that I give a shit about hydro vs organic, just trying to participate. Forgive me for I am old and high.

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No need to apologize @oleskool830 . It is an excellent topic for discussion. The only reason I moved your post was to enable full and open discourse without the constraints of the general forum.

Also, no worries, I am probably older(hahaha) than you, and I will be getting very high myself in short order!

This is a most worthy topic for heated debate.

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I wanted to do DWC with KNF techs, so it’s coming the day, it’s coming…

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Hi @MadScientist I think the crux of this issue is not so much the composition of the nutrients, as it is the means of delivery of said nutrients.
My contention is that hydroponic delivery of vital nutrients cannot be considered “natural”.

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What about mangroves, wetlands and heliconians hanging from river rocks. I think we see DWC in nature a lot actually…

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Not with cannabis or tomatoes!
:smile:

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I hear ya, so in that case you are right my good friend!

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Please don’t misconstrue @MadScientist … my point is somewhat academic, in that, Mother Nature did not devise the human practice of agriculture or agronomy either.

Simply put, IMO, agriculture and agronomy are very, very good practices.
But of course, they are not “natural”.

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I totally get your point my man, absolutely! Thanks for the clarification… :sunglasses:

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plants don’t give a shit where the food comes from as long as it comes. organics is for the grower not the plant

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Hmm, interesting theory.
Should we consider neem application ‘natural’?
What about artificial lighting, or watering with teas?
Where do we draw the line?
For a plant to be truly ‘natural’, it would have to be sun-grown in its native habitat without any human interaction.

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Very good points have been presented. Thanks everyone. I enjoyed that exchange. If it were legal, we all would grow under the sun I suspect.

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I love hydroponics but I would never consider them organic even when used with organic nutrients. I think no-till is the closest thing to organic as far as growing inside but even then, those ferments/teas are man made. (This is just my opinion)

Chuck some beans under the sun, let it grow, wait til end of season, harvest. No other influences other than mother nature…That’s organic in my eyes.

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organic hydro is definitely possible

http://www.hydro-organics.com/site/

Wow, this topic is even more contentious than I initially thought.

It has become a legal tug of war because the official organic designation which is applied to "organic"produce is a $40 billion plus market.
Yikes.
Follow the money.

Here are some articles I read after @oleskool830 introduced the topic.

Organic Hydroponics? Not for Me!

https://www.maximumyield.com/will-hydroponic-crops-ever-become-organic-certified/2/3327

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Organic, worm filled dirt grows the tastiest tomatoes. High brix produce tastes better and can only be achieved in soil. That 1st article is on point IMHO. The one from healthy home economist.

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