Does anyone remember. Dutchmaster Superbud

[Red13]

I’ve been using it recently The product was around about 20 years ago was big hit then it got banned and disappeared for about 20 years then recently it appeared in some of the hydro shops I use a light dosage sometimes I like how stop stretch almost completely straight away. I Don’t use the dosage recommended I find that’s far too heavy. I think it’s an interesting tool. But it never gets the organic quality you can find in the quality buds thanks for reading this

[lophophora.ca]

There are a couple great threads on OG regarding superbud.

Here’s one of the posts:

Banned stretch reducing flowering supplements (PGR)

Archived from now defunct: http://www.integralhydro.com/flowerdragon.html THE CURIOUS CASE OF THE FLOWER DRAGON [image] Epilogue – added in 2016: The following story resulted in triggering an investigation by the CDFA (Californian Department of Food and Agriculture) into PGR containing products that were being sold through Californian hydroponic retail stores in 2010/11. The investigation resulted in several bloom boosters being pulled off hydroponic store shelves in California and Oregon – am…

[Red13]

Thank you lophophora I will have a bit of a read I don’t know if I want to use this much in the future but I want to know more about it

[TopShelfTrees1]

I remember it well, we used this heavily for guerrilla plots to keep them low , I found it have finished product a corky feeling almost idk just my two cents. I was just talking with @Mithridate about old Dutch nutrient formulas and how I came across an abundance . I plan on testing the theories about newer nutes vs. Old nutes suppressing certain qualities and traits that we used to see regularly in certain strains.

[shag]

Probably paclobutrazol, or prohexadione calcium
It says new and improved.
My question is…is it approved for cannabis?
Cannabis is different than avacodos.
We have to consider what happens to these chemicals during combustion.

Also these are gibberelin inhibitors.
It has been found gibberelic acid can increase trichome production.
Inhibiting gibberelin will decrease trichome production.
You will get a lot of plant matter with less trichomes.
Hard buds with little or no taste.
You can try very low doses early in veg for best results.
I have done several experiments with Paclo and Pro-Ca.
Then there is the liver dangers to consider…
Peronally I don’t care for the stuff.

@TopShelfTrees1

I was just talking with @Mithridate about old Dutch nutrient formulas

You should include me in that conversation…
I am pretty sure they owe most of that success to phyto-hormones.
I have played with those quite a bit too.

[CapnCannabis]

Reminds me of that product they Had called Gravity.Shit stacked node on top of node of nice tight bud structures but they found out that shit was causing liver cancer and they changed to label to Ornamental only.Never used it myself thank god

[shag]

FYI
Gravity = Paclobutrazol

[CapnCannabis]

Explains why they got rid of that shit

[NoCal]

Stuff was so popular in the 2000’s it scares me to think how much is still floating around.

*not approved for use on edible plants is enough for me to stay away.

[TopShelfTrees1]

Gladly my brother

[Red13]

@shag

Probably paclobutrazol, or prohexadione calcium
It says new and improved.
My question is…is it approved for cannabis?

Thank you for pointing Out the health concerns Shag yes there are a lot of negatives to the product. It’s something I’ve used in very low doses to stop excess stretch

[Red13]

Thank you to everybody for putting into the conversation. Sounds like Superbud is best forgotten from the cannabis world

[CapnCannabis]

Better results could be had using lst methods and Axiom spray.You get The bulk and tricome production and you control the shape profile of the plant and don’t end up with liver cancer.

[Red13]

Well said capn. Totally agree. I get a bit lazy sometimes. I can’t get grow skills from a bottle. I need to apply myself and learn some better skills I’m thinking about managing stretch by focusing on training the plant better. There are a lot of products out there that are less controversial. And hopefully safer.

[shag]

@Red13

learn some better skills

This is a good read…

7th Inning Stretch.....Everything you wanted to know about stretch and more

You may ask… Is all “stretch”, or just excessive stretch bad? Or is it just at certain times it is tolerable and intolerable otherwise? How do you define what is usually normal growth and what is stretch? Well stretch is really a good thing, it is excessive stretch that can be bad. When internode spacing is too large our top bud looks stretched out. When we have just enough stretch we have a perfectly formed cola over 1 foot in length…ish… Also when we get too much stretch our top bud is …

Or @Upstate has a good one too.

Keeping Sativas small with Upstate

I get questions all the time as to how I keep my Sativas small and manageable. I thought it might be easier for me to post a link to a thread that covers this topic. I’ve germinated some Oaxaca seeds from my favorite plant, Old Silversides. They are ready to plant today or tomorrow.

The latest experiment shows Trehalose will work too.

Trehalose what is it? How does it effect plant growth? How does it help with stress such as salt, drought or freezing?

Yes these are planten in the worst case scenario and result is very good in 2 -3 weeks is the next set ready and looking even better now im testing them with trehalose and chitosan so let see if i can surpress hplvd even more and when results are in i will start with everything new so 0 hplvd and then i should have no problems anymore by using my protcol (that i tested in the worst case scenario )

[Red13]

Thanks for all that help Shag I will do quite a bit of reading. I’m here to learn some more skills so thank you very much

[Wojak]

I remember it well. Back in the day when I was ignorant to pgr’s. I liked how it stopped the stretch. One time i spilt a little on my foot. Full chemical reaction. Had to sleep with my foot in a bucket of ice for a week.
Certainly would not use now I’m a little older & wiser.

[Red13]

Yes Wojak most people like how it stops for plant from stretching. I haven’t spoken to anyone who would use it nowadays