Droopy lifeless plants help!

I’ve got three sick plants. I’ve tried watering, not watering, nutrients. I just repotted them as a last hope. Anybody know what’s going on? I’d hate to loose them :confused:

The plants are two Cinderella and one unknown mix

The one thing they seem to have in common is a small root system. Similar to the blueberry that I put in the garden yesterday but not as extreme

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how close and what size is your lamp? looks like it could be too high of a light level

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OK…
I have been following your grow and may have identified a piece of the puzzle.

I noticed on your solo cups that you have a couple holes for drainage at the highest point of the cup.
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This means the roots will be sitting in water without properly draining.
This can lead to root issues.

I have been cutting the edges of the cup as they are at he lowest point of the cup. This will allow for complete run off of any over-saturation.

From what I am reading above it appears that you have been struggling a bit to find a rhythm which is pretty normal for new growers and sometimes even experienced growers. It happens…

The good news is you have the entire OG to assist you…

Ok… now back to the issue at hand.

Up-potting was a good call.
The new pots will have better drainage, more nutes and of course more room for those roots to grow and establish a healthy environment.


As a general rule I do not feed any nutes to plants in solo cups.
Yes, There are individual exceptions that one may want to keep plants growing in solo’s
But typically once roots are established the plants get up-potted directly.

Nutes… As you have just up-potted your young plants into a good quality soil you should not have to feed any nutes for a bit…

But You will need to make sure your plants are watered well. The easiest way to do this is to set them in a tray and let them soak up water. This is the safe way to make sure you do not over water them. It may take a bit for the pots to uptake enough water so let them sit for a bit then remove them from the tray. Once the pots have up taken enough water pick up the pots so you can get a feel for what they feel like (weight wise) when they are full of water. This will help you gauge how much water is on your plants going forward just by picking them up.

****Remember **** After your plants have been watered correctly let them dry out a bit . One of the most common issues noted with newer growers is the tendency to over-water. Ok even experienced growers over-water … It happens…

I would lay off Nutes and H20 only as the plants get adjusted to their new homes.

Just my .02 Cents…

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I agree with @Maddawg. before He posted clarification I was going to add that “it looks like overwatering but since the outer layer of soil looks dry it could be light levels… are you sure you let them dry all the way?” but if these were just up-potted that would explain the dry soil. More soil means longer dry back periods so I would have kept them in the solos until they began to grow correctly. Let these girls dry out until they begin to wilt before you water them again-- that will ensure they have dried sufficiently.

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@herojuana.tom I’ll be the first to admit my lighting situation is awful but I had to work with what I had. From the lowest plant the light is 15" away.

I didn’t wet the new soil just incase it was over watering. I figured it would wick the water out

@Maddawg the new pots have bigger drainage holes, on the sides like you showed. I tossed a few rocks on the bottom to help the drainage as well. I will cut out the nutes for a while. Is it worth flushing them or would that just rid the new soil from it’s nutes?

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That was a really interesting info, thanks for sharing, I use two cups, one inside another and something between them to leave a chamber for the water, it worked as reservoir:

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When I saw Heather’s plants I first thought they were hungry, now those root problems make sense, they cannot process nutrients because of that tiny root system, hope now with the up potting they will rebound … beer3|nullxnull

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@George That double cup method is super smart! I’ll have to try out both methods next time I sprout seeds, see what works for me.

This is why I love this site. Everytime I’m on here I come away with new information to improve my plants!

Honestly I think one of my biggest issues is I get bored an fuss with the plants instead of just letting them be. I’m too curious about what they’re doing

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Thanks, the origin of the idea I think was of ReikoX for a different reason, he used transparent cups with another solid outside to check the roots without light molesting them. That was my first thought but then thinking about the hempy buckets wanted to try something similar. As you see, I am also a spounge trying to assimilate and improve my grows with all what I find here … beer3|nullxnull

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They look drowned to me. Mostly because I am King overwaterer in Solos. I dare you, but don’t encourage you, to take that title from me lol. They should bounce back after transplant and proper watering practice which I’ve found comes after I take them out of Solos.

Edit: a little more of what I’ve learned too from Solos. Feeding and watering extremely rootbound plants take a skill I don’t possess. Ph, nutritional needs, etc. get impacted. Pot size compared to goals is important. I’ve seen folks grow monsters in 1 gallon, but it doesn’t work for me. Essentially, please tell me if you refute my advice!

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What soil mix are u using, gonna have to agree with maddawg on his long comment. What I will add though that hasn’t been touched on is what’s your airflow/fan situation and what is the soil mix, first glance u hardly have any perlite or any visible drainage amendment (pumice,rice hulls perlite). If the roots are drowning then it’s important to get them less saturated and breathing again. Noticed ur also using plastic pots, what’s to stop u from going to fabric grow bag? They are very reasonably priced on gardzenonline.com

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I would just take it nice an easy and water with H2O only for awhile.

Since they were recently up-potted they will have plenty of nutes for a bit.
I would imagine you will see them bounce back pretty quickly.

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Yep I agree with @AzSeaindooin420 and use perlite and fabric grow bags (you can use reusable fabric shopping bags) it will be much harder to overwater and the roots will thrive.

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@AzSeaindooin420 - I have nothing against fabric pots, thought they would be to big for the plants at the moment

I actually planned on using fabric shopping bags like @Jango suggested once they are big enough

My soil is a pre made potting soil. I haven’t learned how to mix my own yet.
My air flow seems okay since adding a box fan as a diy exhaust. Was able to achieve a vacuum in the tent, running both fans on low. My temps stay in the 70s with a humidity of about 40/50%. I’m still trying to get that right, out in the desert the air drys out so quickly. I added a humidifier, it’s going thru almost 2 gallons a day

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Fabric pots come in as small as 1 gallon( which are hilariously rinky dink) but 3 gallon seems to be ideal till gender identity, def would suggest it.

What’s the brand on the soil mix? Some premix soils def need the additional perlite, from what I’m seeing what ur using is one of em

Soil mix is easy, I’ve got a thread on it u can find by searching " let’s make 500 gallons"

Basic recipe is:
50% compost ( I use half and half mushroom compost and Scotts humus and manure)
25% coir or peat moss
25% perlite, pumice, lava rock, or rice hulls
1 cup per 10 gallon of Dr earth veggie herb and tomato

I grow here in az in the hottest and dryest part of the country, today was 105 and humidity is 0-5% here. Never needed a humidifier and would highly suggest cutting that part out for now till ur plants aren’t getting choked out by all the moisture, also ur temps should be a lil warmer pushing closer in the 80’s, should speed up growth better too

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Update! The two Cinderella have perked back up quite a lot. The mixed seed unfortunately looks worse :weary: fingers crossed it recovers.

@anon20530495 you may hold your title for now! I maybe coming for it again once I start watering :smirk: Getting them outta the solo cups was the right move in my case, they look much happier just overnight

@AzSeaindooin420 thank for you explaining that, I bookmarked it for in the future! I removed the humidifier an will see how they fare. Since removing the temps raised into the 80s an humidity dropped to 20%.

Is the humidity not that important or only because my plants were over watered? Should I put it back in the tent at a later date?

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Honestly I’ve never paid attention to humidity and generally been a good thing for a dry climate in my opinion less mold issues and the plants make more resin to protect itself, kinda a win win to me

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I wouldn’t let humidity go too low in this stage, upon my records:

and specially you would be in the danger zone with the Vapor Pressure Deficit:

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Once I start watering again what’s the best practice? Do I water just a little or until water comes out of the bottom? Tray watering from the bottom?

I’ve only been spraying them with a little water at lights out

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I’m doing hydro and had drooping leaves too…

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I think it was ifish the one who wrote that the root mass volume is equivalent to the plant volume, you should water according plant size, not pot size. I only water until runoff in the final stage, as I know the pot is filled with roots.

In your case you should water not much, in circles a bit far from the stem to promote roots expanding horizontally searching for that humidity. Roots like oxigen, a waterlogged pot just drowns them, this plant doesn’t like wet feet, letting dry enough the pot gives them that oxygen, in your case more convenient with that lack of perlite … beer3|nullxnull

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