4200k multi strain grow. Strains in flower are: Flubber and Colorado Clementines by La Plata Labs, Blue Magoo By Dynasty Genetics, Sour Grape by BOG, Mazar by Dutch Passion, The Guice and Kimbo Kush by Exotic Genetix, Disco Funk by In House Genetics, and a cut of OG Kush I’m not sure who from. I know it’s a lot, but variety is the spice of life, and I’m on the constant search for the Holy Grail. I just supercropped the hell out of them, sorry for the magnetic ballast pic.
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I have been an Advanced Nutrients user since I started growing almost a decade ago, I know it’s expensive but I learned how to use it well and got comfortably stuck in my ways. It is expensive but buying online I would spend less than $500 a cycle for the complete line every cycle. Meanwhile I had dabbled in organic, I would top dress worm castings in veg and guano in flower, make an AACT at least once around mid flower for my girls every cycle and add liquid kelp regularly. That being said I made the jump to organic and I hope it treats me well. I felt it was the right thing to do, especially when I’m caring for actual sick patients and not just recreational users. So here goes. My soul mix for flower is 1 bag each of Fox Farm Ocean Forest, Happy Frog, and Light Warrior, also 5 gallons of Chunky Perlite and a heavy cup of Happy Frog Fruit and Flower. I’m going to feed Neptune’s Harvest Fish Fertilizer around week 3 or 4 if I need nitrogen and top dress a little more Fruit and Flower, or should I just top dress some ewc and humus? I’m going to use Fox Farm Big Bloom the first couple weeks, then switch to Budswel for a few weeks, followed by Roots Organics HPK in weeks 6 and 7 for a PK boost. All the while I will be adding kelp and blackstrap molasses as needed. This soil mix needs no cooking which I like a lot. It’s called the Moonshine mix, and I’ve seen others use it successfully on other forums. Let me know what you organic guys think? Too much? Right Track? Wish me luck.
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My veg soil will just be a mix of ewc and pro-mix. I’m hoping to get buy with nothing but kelp, fish fert, and AACT. These are my preventative pest sprays. Alternate Spinosad and neem oil with silica.
Also I finally bought a Co2 tank and decide to ditch the Exhale bags and Co2 pads. Only thing is I don’t have a regulator or anything, I just have a long piece of hose you would use for an air stone stuck in there and was thinking I would tape it to the back of an oscillating fan an turn it on gently for a few mins during lights on, or just take the hose and spray it over the canopy. I have lots of fans and air flow so I don’t think it sinking will be a problem. What do you guys think?
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I think your soil mix could use more hummus, I would add some quality compost or EWC to that mix.
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you may want to at least get a co2 ppm meter for in the room but i recall other users here manually controlling the flow of co2. i know @Swampthing was one. i watched a video where they used 2 ppm meters, one on the floor and one a couple feet above the floor and they both stayed within 10-20 ppm of eachother.
as for organics i’m no help there sorry bud! i bet within a couple runs tho you’ll find you’re getting similar harvests at a much reduced expense
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Yeah I support that 
Hummus is very efficinet at holding your pH at correct level
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I’ll be watching here. I have a pack of flubber, sour grapes from BOG, and kimbo kush. So it’ll be interesting to see how they look. After I run the Led’s tester I’m gonna run a side by side of his kimbo kush and exotics which should be interesting.
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im gonna be honest here. this is why people think organics isnt as good. youre in the mind set of bottles and when you switch to organics you keep that mind set. it needs to be tossed out the window. or in your case properly disposed of😉 the soil you used is honestly no good at all. perlite sucks for aeration because it floats out of the soil when you water. you dont need any of the bottles of stuff you mentioned. it could say organic on the bottle but in my eyes its not really organic. you say youre feeding kelp and molasses? well why not get rid of all your bottles and switch them out for kelp, neem, malted barley, and some good compost? that will destroy “organic” bottled nutes anyday. you have the right idea. but your mind is still set on a bottle that has your fix.
ps if you still want bottles you can easily make everything you have there:)
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I think those products are good for that transitional stage. Going full organics can be intimidating until you get your hands dirty. When I started, the extent of my organic knowledge at the time was Soma’s book. He uses “organic bottles” so I figured that was the right way.
I went to the “hydro bro” and said I wanted to grow organic. He sold me a bag of Fox Farms Coco Loco and the Biocanna line (veg, bloom, boost, rhizotonic). I looked at the bag and it had everything listed that sounded good.
As I became more comfortable with organic concepts and recycling, I started to learn ferments (that’s what these products actually are). And started making my own.
Now I am finally comfortable with the organic soil concepts and am building my own soil. I’m still only seeing the tip of the iceberg.
In summary, if i would do it over again I would have started a worm bin sooner. EWC is the simplest way to improve any soil mix IME.
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Neptune’s Harvest doesn’t deserve to be dissed this way 
it’s good stuff. They brew up a smelly fish goo, looks like it’s teeming with microbial life, it reeks.
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I’m gonna be honest as well
People think it isn’t good cause it isn’t. At least not 90% of the crap the industry puts out. How bout instead of always making it an Organic VS the world topic for you, you run a journal showing all of us how much better your plants are than ours.
…and then it ends up by a Van down by the River.
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Thanks for somewhat constructive criticism, but I am a busy family man and a one man show, I liked the sound of this mix because there’s no cooking and it’s kind of like plug n play easy organic. I want to give my patients a clean medicine without taking up all my time and staying simple. I was recommended this mix by a fellow grower who’s opinion I trust very much. He calls this his winter mix, because of the cooking reason, and he and others on different forums produce fire organic medicine with it, which is all I’m going for. As long as I don’t take a huge loss in yield and it’s the bomb, I’ll be happy.
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Thanks for all the replies, you folks have been very helpful.
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is happy frog an organic soil amendment? i’ve been thinking of doing half my next crop with MEGACROP and the other half with Gaia Green organic amendments - it’s what mr canucks grow uses, only that mixed with coco and the occasional top dress/tea. it seems super convenient.
i’d much rather buy one ready made product and only have to add one thing to my coco than buy a whole bunch of separate amendments and mix it all myself - especially for my first dabble in organics. the convenience is worth the few extra dollars or whatever. it can all be a little overwhelming and i’d rather make a low cost low commitment attempt first before devoting a bunch of money and energy.
i may also wait for a run where i’m flowering all the same clone so i get a better comparison because i don’t believe people who say they can taste a difference from organic or non.
Ya it’s totally organic. Again this is my first time with this mix, but I have seen others use it successfully. I would think as long as you have a good organic soil and extra ewc, that this should get you to harvest without any issues. I would add about a cup per bag of soil and top dress with the fruit and flower and ewc as needed. Some kelp and molasses probably wouldn’t hurt, it’s about $12 a bag.
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Do you think just top dressing these two products will do the trick? I bought these castings because I wanted something better than the Wiggle Worm ewc I had always used before. And I have a 2-3 year old bag of Ancient Forest that’s just been laying around. I had said in an earlier thread that I didn’t like the ancient forest, because I had used it and had problems. I was only using it as a top dress to add extra biology in my pro-mix, while using the Advanced Nutrients line. I felt like it threw things out of whack, but it could have been an error on my part, or I could have been using it in the wrong application. I used it mixed 50/50 with ewc once to make a tea, and didn’t see any ill effects, so idk? What do you think?
And just to clarify, I didn’t switch to organic because I’m a health nut or anything, hell I still smoke cigarettes. I don’t buy all organic food at the grocery store, that’s the last thing on my mind. But some of the patients I cater to are very health conscious, hippy, vegan type folks. So I’m doing it for them. Plus I hear good things about organic buds smelling and tasting great, which is what really appeals to me. I like those really loud, smell me a mile away terps. I want flavor to punch me in the face when I take a hit. And also if I can give some sick people a cleaner medicine, that would be nice, and hopefully make them feel better, and make me feel better for doing that. Also saving a few bucks is never a bad thing.
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Can’t go wrong with worm poo. I like how they call it VermiWorm. Vermi means worm, worm worm. 
Work with what you have, if you go further down this road you may want to start your own worm bin.
I have not heard much either way about the Ancient Forest except that it’s over priced peat. With what you have already, I would stick with the castings and save the Ancient Forest. I would suggest running it through your worm bin.
Are you just going to do a few pots, or are you doing the whole 4200k with this new method. Hopefully you can do a side by side comparison with the same clones. I would love to see that.
Good luck! 
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I like happy frog products. Where I live there are not many options, but happy frog is one, I have used it for years for many applications. I don’t know or care if it is organic or not but, I use it because I feel it helps under the correct conditions.
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Nope, the whole 4200k is in the new mix.
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