That is a good post for sure, and I agree with him on the galaxy.
Remember, what they show us and what they have are probably 2 different things.
Thoughts on this?
Well the galaxy isn’t a thing anymore and was pretty poorly executed so I don’t think it would have held much weight, but who knows.
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I hear ya there, but they could provide proof without the galaxy, A paper trial would do the trick, point is they are seen as qualified to make that call.
It would be difficult to argue with them, especially if they have monsanto/syngenta funding the battle.
Just food for thought is all.
I love to smoke and think as you can tell…LOL
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But realistically they had ~5% of the genome. That’s not enough.
But did they now?
They were sent live seeds ect.
Did they tissue culture them?
They said from the start, publicly they intend to do breeding.
I really don’t beleive they just tossed all of those valualbe genetics and built the worlds largest from scratch a totally different way.
I guess anything is possible but I would lean towards the most likely, I mean it makes zero sense to do such a thing.
Keep in mind this company is known to lie.
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The Open Cannabis Project would link to the raw genomic data, which Phylos would post—with customers’ consent—onto the National Center for Biotechnology Information, a public database at the National Institutes of Health.
Has anyone ever seen this?
Does anyone know if this info is available to the public?
Holmes promised these plants will be “widely available and very affordable,” and in many cases they will be sold with an open source license—meaning other breeders can continue to work with them. (The company has teamed up with indoor ag venture Crop One to form a new business called Conception Nurseries, which will sell cannabis clones.)
Conception will also sell small-scale breeders’ starts, labeling them with the breeder’s name as well as the cultivar’s name, and will offer fair credit and royalties.
Phylos is Conception Nurseries
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I remember growing under a 150w HPS and worrying Id get busted.
Then upgrading to a 400w.
Then growing both indoor and outdoor.
…and still being a small grain of sand compared to people growing out a side of a mountain, or two.
An acre of weed seems surreal to some, seeing dozens of acres personally is pretty cool.
And those acres are minuscule compared to MSO’s and the brands that dominate multiple states and countries these days.
And yet we dont hear much of anything from the people hustling in multiple continents, jet-setting between festivals and business deals while their crews ship bulk seeds and hash all over the globe
And even those guys never got permission from UK/US governments/LEO to grow and study cannabis.
Fractals, man. Far out.
NIDA, Sam, Mowgli, Gypsy… they’re all on a first name basis. They may not work for or report to the same people, but they are all in the big leagues game. For Gypsy to butt against Sam’s wishes may mean more legal troubles, who knows. But Im sure his life is easier making Sam an overlord of a moderator.
An interesting data point is in looking at where some breeders have been breeding towards the past couple decades.
DJ Short spent a lot of effort on strains that would allow for perpetual harvesting, theoretically making Rec farming indoors more efficient - no need to replant, just let the plants just keep growing out new fresh buds to harvest every couple weeks. Unfortunately, no states allow for constant harvest in their compliancy, some states even requiring a plant to be entirely harvested on one date, not even allowing for an extra few days to let the lowers finish up after harvesting the main colas.
Many breeders chased 7-week projects thinking with the same old school black market mentality of beating the police or the mold by harvesting early. But Rec is more efficient growing in a hoop and harvesting in Oct-Dec than harvesting Aug/Sept.
Then look at Sam’s projects. Breeding single-cannabinoid plants to both conform to pharmaceutical canna rollout while also allowing the sidestepping of some overbearing regulations such as THC limits or even taxes.
As far as Phylos, I dont think they’d have to sequence the whole genome to achieve their goal.
Their project for the galaxy and testing everyone’s genetics was a sales pitch, not the final goal. They state in the business plan i posted above that they will be breeding and selling novel strains. They dont need to sequence the entirety of everyone’s genetics - they just need to sequence enough to show a commonality between your Super Cloud Eater and Sam’s Sk/Hz/Cali-o/etc.
I know Phylos is currently charging 20% to farms for growing out Phylos’ genetics right now. Thats quite profitable.
And if I go to the grocery store to get a pound of veggies or fruit, its a dollar or two, for a whole pound. Yet those farms bought those seeds from an MSO who spent millions to breed those seeds and keep them exclusive.
Weed is only still just becoming legal where it can be backed by banks, insurance, etc. We haven’t yet seen the rollout of Monsanto-style market dominance by a select few corporations.
I imagine interstate trade will open around 2025, international around 2028. That’s when we’ll see patents getting enforced and the real agendas and alliances will be revealed.
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It was dissolved 2019. They were involved with the Phylos kerfuffle.
Don’t know if the their sequencing databases were fully published but I have seen other sources of published sequence data. OCP provides a site where they keep the data but accessing it is not clear. Details here:
Here are the details regarding the closure of the project:
From what I recall, there is another east coast based company that had been contributing datasets to public. They are around but hit and miss.
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I think we’re giving phylos a bit too much credit. They were cheapskates that made a worthless database under the guise of science. You guys really think anything that same company can produce is going to be worth while?
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That’s of course a possibility
Or, they were doing corporate science under the guise of offering a worthless database.
The effort they went through to revamp their entire galaxy a couple times to manufacture genetic narratives shows what they were really doing.
The first Galaxy was somewhat accurate. Then it got revamped and all of a sudden connections that were there, weren’t, and connections that weren’t there, were. Such as some novel landraces first being reported as novel and unique, then after the update the Galaxy says they are related to Skunk or Haze.
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The fact you could send in a cut and her offspring and them show up as completely unrelated plants, showed what they were really doing.
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The Phylos investor calls, where they were laying out their actual long-term plans, provided concerning details that did not match their public messaging. The videos were on-line some time ago. Don’t know if those are still around.
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Yup, saw those.
That investors meeting laid it all out. Working with Sam/Clarke/et al, working on breeding and various patents, licensing IP/clones, to be one of the Monsanto’s of cannabis.
I haven’t seen that video around in at least a year, though.
Once their former employee went online and shared what he knows, Phylos did a bit of a cleanup and rebranding.
On the other hand, Breeder’s Best is protecting breeders and offers contracts at a reasonable price. Their CEO says he can impede Phylos’ patent efforts… we’ll see.
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That Massachusetts company doing sequencing is named Medicinal Genomics
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I wonder if a license to breed specifically for seeds and genetic preservation would be a viable, safe, and legal option for preservation growing? I am not into the cannabis selling flower but preservation so… why not. Make it federal like a brewer’s license? @shag
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@Cactus
Sounds good to me, you may need to navigate plant counts or get some special permit, does something like a breeders license currently exist?
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That sounds like a horrible idea. Why would we need government license to make seeds? That’s just going to give more incentive to bigAG that can afford them. Trying to say as a way to get around the flower/canopy/plant rules?
I want the plant to be “regulated” like Grass, or Tomato’s or something. i.e. we can have as many as we want and do with them as we please.
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I see it being used for home brewers and brew pubs. Jimmy with a swipe of his pen did away with all this hoky state by state politics bullshit. Not looking to make a buck just wanta chuck!
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I get it, but what are the chances that license would even be affordable? The average license to grow for a business is around $1000 depending on the state. Some are $100, sure, like Maine, but Michigan wants $6,000, Illinois wants $100,000 
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“Free Market”
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