Yes that would be lol
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I know the grower that got the male from the s1’s and he is as reliable and accurate as there is.
If he says it was a male from s1’s I believe him.
I know other folks have had males from other s1 stock. all we can do is call it what it is and this is the correct info.
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A male from an s1 isn’t really a male. It’s a hermi
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But all the oger seed produce male and female seed. So. Unless the orig seedstock that oregon kid gave to folks wasn’t s1 seed. Who knows. But the history I explained is how it happened regardless.
Also there were articles written by several breeders that used hermi males in their breedings DJ short is one of them
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But you just said it was a male s1, then you said maybe they weren’t s1 it’s just what someone told you. And now reputable breeders use hermi’s?
You’re right. In some contexts I’ve seen people use s1 the way we normally think of f2. But it doesn’t sound like that is meant here.
I’d guess it’s not a hermie, but a bit of unintentional pollen from an unknown source. I don’t believe you can get a Y chromosome from a female… but there’s plenty of things I don’t know 
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I’ve heard of if before,
IIRC to ratio was something like 1:10000. That’s really cool, how would you describe the smoke?
Cheers
G
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There’s some magic there I can’t puzzle out. My problem is a can’t remember which book I read it in.
Cheers
G
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I’ve heard it before on some potcast episode maybe. I just don’t believe it. It takes some pretty hardcore isolation to ensure that there was no stray pollen. None of us are growing in class 10 cleanrooms lol.
Without proof via genetic test, I just can’t make sense of the claim in my head enough to believe it.
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My understanding was OGer was getting passed around a bit on the old Overgrow.
What forms was it in? Clones and S1s or regular?
What years would you say?
Cheers
G
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Words can be twisted how ever folks want bottom line the guy that worked what everyone here is calling ogers said the male came from s1 seed and I believe him. maybe what oregon kid was giving out somehow wasn’t only s1 seed but some stray pollen got in there we will never know.
Anyway. The ogers kush being from here isn’t master kush x bubba
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Hola Gang
What would explain the 1 to 4 male ratio
Bare
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This is as accurate as it gets , I talked to orgnkid about all of this not long ago to make sure my memory was correct and he said the same thing he said back then which is what you posted , the controversy was always around that s1 male. As rare and unexplainable to science as they are they do exist , it’s just a 1 in 10’000 chance of finding one.
I realy wish we had the old threads from the original site, then people could see the banana , ghost , king loui and ogers in there creation. What I realy miss is the tangerine skunk plant he had that I haven’t seen sense.
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Shiiiiiit, graveyard shift has got me missing out in all the good stuff 
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Encore! Do ya want more!?
Hell yas
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I’ve heard of breeders talk about males coming up from S1 seeds. I have no stake here, I’m just corroborating the fact that I’ve heard of them talk about it… this situation is so classic of the cannabis community. Hearsay and rumours… it’s all very interesting though. Either way, @Gpaw is gonna crush the next run. We’ll probably never really know the true story here but we’ll all have some killer genetics to grow out!
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We got some facts corrected, that’s progress.
I’m starting to see how blockchain might be useful in principle 
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Cheers
G
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This link is getting a lot of action today
1 in 4 is a different story than 1 in 10k. Maybe it is a case of this explanation.
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It’s hard to say but it seems that because of the ability of the cannabis plant to exist as either mixed or separate sexes and the historic existent of it in both forms that it can somehow rearrange itself to prevent sterility. It may not be as black and white as xy chromosomes if the plant somehow has the ability to manipulate and change chromosomes. I mean what realy makes a chromosomes and what codes for that and can the plant change that code to survive ?
Here is a link to a good article that will shed some light on the complexity of plant sex determination and the different ideas that are being thrown around in regards to what can allow these things to happen.
https://www.nature.com/articles/6800016
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I want to read those last two links. I had a weird occurrence in summer with two of @SamwellBB’s Purple Poison Cookies. They were outside in early summer and I brought them inside because of a few days of possible hail storms. It tricked them into flowering I guess by having different light hours inside.
One was a full on male and one female. Once it went back outside the male changed over to a full blow (sort of) female with one limb that made some male flowers. I still have the clones and some seeds from him that I wanted to study. The reason was that male, when it switched to female, got the strongest dank I’ve had around for a long time. I could smell it just walking around outside.
I’m still very elementary in my breeding knowledge but I remember this conversation somewhere else and it made me save that M/F and the other F. I sure would like to capture that dankness too keep. Think there is a way? The seeds I got from it were from another male imo. The male flowers didn’t seem to be fully opening. I have 2-3 clones of he/she and 3 of the female. Only other time I grew the PPC it was my favorite. But this one male was insane stinky, in a different way.
Both plants got septoria fungus and took them out sort of. I got the clones before that. I’m looking forward to checking them out again soon.
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