Soaking seeds - why do you guys do it

We come back tomorrow mate. Got to be at airport for 2 am as the immigration staff are on strike for some stupid reason.

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Youā€™ll be soon in the ā€œnon EUā€ lane , nice travel back ā€¦

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Small Tupperware, cotton pad, seed, cotton pad, luke warm water, cover with the lid. leave it overnight on top of a modem or very very low heat source pc or cancel tv box etc. Simple yet effective.

PS: canā€™t be held responsible if the missus finds out and gets angry for using her cotton makeup pads hehehe :grin: stealthiness is most imperative.

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I have planted soaked and unsoaked directly into soil pray pellets and root riots or rock wool before and find Iā€™m soaking for at least for 12- hours again then in wipes.
Iā€™ve seen the problems from both methods. Traditional planting and soaking.
I soak for no more than 12 hours and then if I get sinkers before that they are removed earlier, then I put in an antiseptic wipes it was just something I tried once and itā€™s given me 100% germination rates since, I find as Iā€™m out of house for 12 hours a day itā€™s more aeriated doesnā€™t get too soggy.
A lot of trial and error has led me to believe this is fine.
Thereā€™s two things I would avoid thatā€™s oversoaking im only trying to soften the shell.
And not transplanting as soon as tap root shows (this is why I made this a reply because itā€™s itā€™s sure fire to stop your tap root losing its way) well Iā€™ve missed the boat a few times over the years and let my tap root grow too long never broke one though.
The problems come when they start curling and by this time it must cause some trauma.
I call it piglet tail, the tap root does a 360%.
I found this undesirable compared to siblings so I try to avoid.
At the end of day itā€™s very rare I lose a seed ever any way I plant but the last one quite a few years ago was done the traditional way, and if I could have seen it werenā€™t gonna hatch could have dropped it earlier?
Itā€™s what works for you in my eyes? My grandmother used take cuttings and use plastic bags itā€™s not entirely natural unless you decide to extremist Buddhist I would say itā€™s the least menacing examples of human intervention?

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Just my observation seems to me that direct seeded plants seems to be more sturdy and robust out the gate, whereas seeds started in paper towels then planted have to acclimate to there surroundings and getting that taproot dinged in anyway would probably make them unhappy for a bit IMO

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My experience too but not if your just giving a nudge. Then I wouldnā€™t do it! Insanity is the definition of trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
We all have different environments I learned recently when I moved here and I had to change rule book.
I actually think peat pellets are best way, but I also like straight in soil and cover pot with clinfilm but freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.
And as at mo I have an agenda so reverting to method that gave best results as I canā€™t afford to lose, horses for courses bro.
You present a method I will try it when Iā€™m not in a position where I canā€™t afford to lose!
And Iā€™m not as experienced as some 15-20 years if you count my first attempt receiving a plant and putting it under a street light.
I never flowered that plant as went to work in holland. Got back late year 2000 could only find dodgy hash that was the catalyst for my endeavours.
What I will say is if it works for you.
I try now not to use feminised although as guerilla grower for years I used them and wouldnā€™t rule it out again.
I donā€™t live in a country thatā€™s legal, and am actually worried that some American breeders refuse to patent there intellectual work. So we still work as a resistance movement and hope we have enough resources to combat big pharma when they claim we are using a plant that is now there patented intellectual property.
Donā€™t worry we will provide access to plants that have been exposed to this modern slavery.
We must live on this planet hand in hand with nature. And as this plant holds a lot of significance in this department.
Some of us will follow our gut instinct and preserve for future generations.
I feel other techniques can be more detrimental to the cause than this one.

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Iā€™ve busted taps before it donā€™t bugem

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I believe in the KISS method myself. Too many ā€œOverthinkā€ this processā€¦ Drop the seed in a jiffy pellet, or plant directly in soilā€¦ 99% success rate. But, Hey whatever works! :slight_smile:

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My sentiments exactly what works for one grower may not work for another.
Very rare two environments are identical!

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itā€™s wet and stuffā€¦just my .02

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Maybe itā€™s just the OCDā€¦

First a scuff. IDK about the grit but I want that liquid penetrating the hull ASAP.

Then a dip in dilute H2o2 - disinfects possible pathogens and thereā€™s limited evidence suggesting better germ rates and high female ratio. I donā€™t have a cite for that, sorry, but I thought it was reputable enough (when I read it) to give it a try.

Then soak in dilute recharge until they sink - again thereā€™s limited evidence suggesting value in inoculating germ plasm even before it escapes the hull and substantial evidence about dilute kelp soaks.

Then plunk them in a layer of moistened paper towel, using the leftover recharge water - this is purely bc I like to see whatā€™s going on. Thereā€™s also an argument that it ensures contact with the beneficials in recharge, but itā€™s really just about the visual checkup for me.

When the tails pop, they go straight into coco. With the exception of some autos, I have very high success rates beyond this point. Meanwhile, if they crap out along the way, I will know before I set them into coco.

Doesnā€™t hurt, maybe helps, so why not?

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Iā€™ve always just popped seeds into promix and kept it moist.

No muss. No fuss.

Iā€™m a simplicity kind of guy.

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Amen brother, I donā€™t go with anything but water and paper towels of course a 24 hr soak.
Then a bit of heat, just like mother nature intended.

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If done in paper towels there also exists the possibility of separating any twins. I germinated one set of 6 recently could have yielded 8 separate plants and one tri-cot/tri-leaf specimen.

So it is possible to do higher than 100% germination in small batches I suppose.

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I norm use paper towels myself but for older seeds I often use the brown rapid roosters pre soaked in a light kelp dip seems to help the older more tired ones get going

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I had similar mo with cling film over top till they sprout. But change of house bought different environments had to start from scratch again

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I soak a Rockwool cube (Ph at 7)in water overnight, drop a seed into the hole, cover the hole with the Rockwool from the sides, i just gently pull the rw over the seed and put it under a light, usually in about 3-4 days, sometimes faster its out.

The latest bean I popped Pineapple Express

What she looks like now after about 2 weeks under a low wattage FS LED.

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After wading through metaphorically knee deep bullshit in this industry I have found that the KISS rule applies every time. Keep it simple, stupid. Plant seeds in dirt. Feed with basic, simple nutrients. Grow under light that mimics the sun. Keep things clean and tidy. Be patient.

People who over complicate things are the ones who have problems. Over complicating is something that this industry influences because they can offer a ā€œsolutionā€ (product) for a problem that doesnā€™t exist. People parrot this information and it ends up being the industry standard. That is how these ridiculous ā€œGerMinATe iN PaPeR TOweLā€ trends developed. More bullshit steps, more margin for error, more failures, and more ā€œsolutionsā€ to further complicate the issue. Like a seed splitter. Are you serious? How about just donā€™t breed plants that produce bad seeds. All this does is dilute the gene pool with plants that have poor reproductive traits.

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In the 25 years Iā€™ve been growing and hanging out on message boards, one of the constants has been that the majority of people in this hobby AND profession have essentially incorporated superstition into their work. And if that word doesnā€™t work for you, then how about religion? Because as a science nerd who got into this for love of botany, horticulture, and biology, Iā€™ve been seeing anti-science show up as rules of thumb all the while. As a grown ass adult now I no longer care to correct anyone. I think weā€™re too far gone for that, honestly. The bro science has too deep of a hold now. So I just try to put up with it.

But seriously, a lot of people here are mostly just practicing a method of faith that might as well be religious. I know this will open a can of worms, and itā€™s officially not what this thread is about, but the whole idea of organics is not based on proven science, and really is getting difficult to contrast with other faith-based ideologies like religion. And Iā€™m so disinterested in arguing it anymore that if anyone tries to right now Iā€™ll just smile and wave at ya. But thatā€™s just one example. There are myriad others.

Iā€™m the kind of guy where, when I see someone spreading some bro science on the forums, Iā€™ll then send a PM to the person on the receiving end, with a link to a scientific reference, on why the other person was wrong. Iā€™m not trying to do that shit in public anymore.

Last, I just want to say that Iā€™m not judging anyone for their superstitions either. Or for growing organically. Or anything. Itā€™s all good. The ends justify the means. Is your end result good? Great! Is your technique working for you? Awesome! But if you get into a teaching role, or a mentor role, and you make that public, like in a YouTube channel or whatever, then game on. :smile:

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