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yes they do stink lol and No this does not go bad actually itās the opposite it get better with time, and all you gotta do is add to it , after you use some just add more water kinda swirl it and its ready you can pull more I pull from a bucket till I put like 3-5 more buckets worth of water in that bucket before I add more plant material or you notice that it is getting clear or not as green or thin , I hope that makes sense if not just let me know @Upstate
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And iām cutting this fifty fifty with fresh water when I use it? Is it possible to use too much on a plant?
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, old silver sides, photos and then an accidental mean green photo.
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Yes and I have found that thatās the sweet spot so donāt use less it wonāt be strong enough and donāt use it more concentrated it could have negative effects over time Iāve tried it already but you donāt have to measure itās not that serious but keep it close for best results 
@upstate
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Yes but we are talking like 70/30 or better to cause issue accompanied with no dry back PS or the plants used for bucket were out of balance which would cause the solution to be out of balance and this is something I have never seen personally but it is something to keep in mind
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Man! That mean green looks like a very special plant! Super cool @Upstate
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Thanks for all the Good information. Iāll be using that stuff as soon as I can handle some stinky handsš¤£
The mean green is something elseā¦ Until today, Iāve been struggling for a name that matches that plant. A few weeks ago, I. Pulled my upper back while pulling that plant up a Hill in a cart. The kink in my back was waking me up by 3:30 AM Until just a couple days ago. Now I can sleep till 5 before the knot drives me from bed. Usually moving that plant only hurts my lower back., lol. So now I have an appropriate name for that plant. From now on, I will be calling her Miss Sciatica 
I sure hope the abuse I have put my body through growing this plant will be worth it in the end.
My spider Senses are telling me it will be worth itā¦ But Iām not feeling it with the Creeper pheno. Hope Iām wrong.
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Well I get it on me all the time 
now donāt get me wrong at first I was very skidish of it but over time there was no way to avoid it so from experience the āstankā washes off But! There is a warning label Do Not let it splash in eyes ! It will cause pink eye! Thatās the one thing but other than that no worries lol @upstate PS outta likes
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that means itās working lol
some donāt use it until itās aged for a year, itās supposed to get better with age
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The steep time thatās recommended is much longer than this, and the dilution is 1C/2 gallons of water. typically in the ratio of 1 part JLF to 100 parts water
IME (and I think @BeagleZ will back me up here), a month is the bare minimum fermentation time, less than that and plants are gonna fry. And a 2:1 solution is using waaaay more fertilizer than what is needed according to the actual JADAM protocol. On a landrace sativa, I think that dose would spell doom for the plant, but I havenāt tried JADAM on single origin plants yet
Iāll echo @drgreensleeves and say that it doesnāt go bad, and in fact, it will smell neutral after about 6 months in the bucket.
I used year old food scrap JLF on my Trainwreck plants, at standard (1C/2 gal) dilution, and burned the absolute fuck out of them. JLF aināt no joke!
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Store bought groceries is a bad idea all around and how I suggested itās use is how I use it on all of my plants from landrace to autos to food crops at a 2:1 dilution and I have never burned anything and I even only let it sit for 7 days sometimes so idk man but the store bought stuff is definitely a bad idea due to our modern commercial agriculture system we have today all kinds of endemic pesticides
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Iām sure there are practical differences in the approach, and room for experimentation obviously. Awesome that youāve had success with your methods!
Iām speaking only of my own experiences, and of the standard JLF practices.
If 2:1 works for you, awesome, but I think itās important to share with people who are new to the practice what the actual recipe is. If someone starts out with the recommended practices, they can make adjustments, but starting with a recipe that calls for 500% more input than how itās written is going to cause problems.
My food scrap JLF is just fine as long as I double dilute it (1:200), and all my plants go crazy for it at the appropriate dilution, so thereās nothing chemically wrong with it, itās just a hot fertilizer.
There are many other anecdotes in the JADAM forums where folks have killed whole seasonās worth of crops using āyoungā or under diluted inputs.
Again, Iām not saying anything about your growing styleā¦ if it works, it works, but I am saying that your recommendations arenāt in line with the actual JADAM practices, and others may not have the same results.
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Iām not hating on you either bro love and respect and for the record I never bought the book I just watched a couple of master choās Sons you tube videos and Drakeās and a few others but I have had it in practice for quite some time and yes you are correct about a young bucket use with caution but thatās with young than 10 days with night time temps over 65F if your climate is on the cooler side your 30 day limit is probably more accurate , their are so many nuances to the Jadam and knf that we can both be right at the same time it just all depends really and if ever you have doubt test it on a wild flower or something less valuable cool thing is if itās bad you will know within about 5-10 minutes lol when I first started using it I did some weeds like āwicked witch of the westā straight melted them lol but it was a JMS that I added sugar to thinking " oh More is Better!" Then I learned real quick No! More is not better
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Agreed! And quite frankly, there are no recipes for JADAM in terms of actual measurements, so we could be doing something different that changes our outcomes, and not even be aware of it.
At the end of the day, the averaging of data points from those of us who use these methods will start to reveal the best practices.
Very exciting stuff
Edit: I actually live in a very warm climate, so that might explain why mine gets so hot, so fast. My fermentation are almost always finished faster than the stated times, so it makes sense that they would also be starting faster as the microbial activity is exponentially higher with increased favorable temperatures.
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Thanks @drgreensleeves , @Upstate and @HeadyBearAdventures for all your knowledge sharing, and reminding me that the remedies are all around me, and to get back into ferments.
I used to do this with nettle, comfrey and all the canna stems and trimmings - fresh and dry - still have about 50L of 5 year old strained ferment, and about 150L still in the barrel, they didnāt get septoria that year, should be good and ripe now! I had been using 10-20:1 (water:ferment) with no issues. Nettle especially smells like cow urine. Much better smelling after a year. There are so many variables in how to go about it.
Nice realisation, I like your thinking! Light bulb moment! It reminds me thatās an ancient/indigenous method to add fertility to the garden, and whatever microbes one is selecting for come with it, I like your style @drgreensleeves
Cannabis has the opposite action on the adrenals unfortunately,
Iāve burnt mine out a few times toking too much, drinking too much coffee, not getting enough sleep, but then I donāt have access to herb with āno comedown/burnout/afterhighā yet. Please prove me wrong!
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That is a good recipe for swamp juice. I learned about it slowly over the years, each time that I would go swimming in the river. The only thing that I would add to that recipe is river rocks. Small ones to put in your āstew bucketā. A few of those will leach stone minerals into the soup(think azomite/basalt/greensand) that will sit in the swamp juice like sediment sits in malt liquor. Organic mineral āgritsā that the plants will love.
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Well now my friend, do you know what the cat said when he got his tail cut off?..
It wonāt be long now! Lol
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Yes I concur with this statement and if can get it some of the silt and some of the jelly stuff off of the rocks by the shore if Iām not mistaken is a bacterial mass/colony that uses photosynthesis for energy and the byproduct is oxygen and it has this mechanism that allows it to do it in the absence of light but I canāt remember the details but they are out there in white paper if you so desire @bonghopper
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