I liked the end with the reconstituted weed sprayed ^^ A smell of the times lol
Because only regular has males:)
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Ur not wrong tbh.
Outdoor, Automatics have there justification.
I would use them too. Maybe i am scared, will they finish without mold (regular plants)?
But Indoor, its so stupid.
Do u guys know RQS? Its an European company, big Marketing.
RoyalQueenSeeds Buy Seeds, make marking and sell them. Call it Zkittlez, and u bet right, its def. NOT Zkittlez.
Fuck this. I would do any beans from guys of OG before i would even consider putting this garbage into the dirt.
PS: U did saw my pictures a few post’s above.
Limon Blanco.
This is just in feminized form available to buy. But i did talked with Aladdin (Khalifa himself) and ive got 5 regular Seeds, what do u guys think? Should i coop this and give it out to the guys here?
Would u be down for that? Its an F4 - so i would make it an F5.
I would love to produce some seeds with this fire genetic’s for everyone.
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Ay
Care to expand on this assertion? I grow autos indoors and most of the time, I don’t feel stupid. But maybe I am. Stupid people can’t tell.
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Co-op runs are meant to reproduce strain that are not available on the market anymore, so it depends if aladdin is intending to continue to sell it.
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I don’t grow autos but I think it’s stupid to say it’s stupid.
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Ah i forgot, we have very expensiv electricity. So for us it would be stupid 
U are not stupid, im sorry. Was wrong to write that!
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It is not avalaible in regular form, to buy.
I just got a few beans from him.
In my opinion, outdoors autos are meh, indoors is where they truly shine and will out produce photos by a fair amount if given long light schedules.
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I dont know what u pay for electricity?
We did had after the russian - ukraine war like 40-48ct for 1 kilowatt hour.
That was our price. I think US have like 3-4 ct?
Now we do have cheaper prices… but it was hard.
So… U see? Would be stupid to use these in germany Indoor.
We could say 400w, we use.
40ct per kilowatt hour
115€ for 2 months (400w 12 hours)
173€ for 2 months (400w 18 hours)
58€ more for using autos.
U do this 4x a year, and it will get a number.
Maybe ur humidity is to high, when the lights are on? so thats another 200w for 6 hours (dehumidifier)
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Let me do a gentle rant, full of good intentions.
RQS is built entirely on marketing, it’s the seed business of the most distributed free mag about ganja in EU : Soft Secret. It’s like High Times or Skunk Mag had officially a brick & mortar seedbank since decades if you want.
Now let’s be honest one second. When you approach this kind of company as customer, you perfectly know where you are and what you will get for your money ^^ It’s like the no-debate supermarkets VS farmers, the true enemy is the inflation et monkey currencies.
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A bit of a rant?
Buddy iam so lucky that i didnt rant… i would get banned for that xD
Like i said i would do prefer every bean that the people here produce, take over RQS bullshit marketing with fake genetic’s.
But i have to say that ur wrong buddy.
“Now let’s be honest one second. When you approach this kind of company as customer you perfectly know where you are and what you will get for your money”
I dont think so, its the first thing that popp up on google, if u search for seeds.
SO i do think, if someone wants a gorilla glue, he thinks he gets one. Because he is a newbie.
He or she doesnt know better.
Me i think you as well, and i bet a lot of other guys would not be careing for a plant for 4 months, if they knew its not that zkittlez,gelato, gorilla glue what ever.
Good Marketing, thats all.
Solution to this is to help the newbie’s and show them what is the real stuff.
But someone who got fooled to convince he wasnt, its a hard task man. They start to defend that shit
“BUT I DID HAD A GOOD PLANT MAN”.
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With autos since you’re doing 24/7 couldn’t you just turn the strength down as your dli goes up with each extra hour making it the same cost?
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My point is that these supermarkets are necessary to vulgarize cannabis. OG is filled with weed nerds that made seeds, even if it’s hard to believe … this kind of cannaweb noise represent just a little portion of what is the market today. Then the customers.
RQS have a bullshit (and powerful) marketing only if you expect from them to be not what they are : a true seedbank ^^ Now most of these outcrosses … are the real ones even if it’s hard to believe. It’s just the skills and the turn over of operators that is variable. People never believe me when i say that today a seedman earn much better as little hand than a breeder under his label ^^
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But then the yield and quality would not be the same, right? Then why not grow photoperiodic plant’s, u see the dilemma there?
Thats why i have to excuse my self for writing “Stupid”.
Ur not stupid, iam that i didnt gave the context of our expensiv electricity bills here.
- I see all the time that newbie’s getting the information they should start with autoflowers.
But, because he is a newbie, he dont even know how to water a plant. He will stress the shit out of the plant, it will trigger flower relativly early and he has like no yield.
@Fuel Amen brother!
They did ONCE work, and now wants 20€ for 1 Single “F1 hybrid automatic seed”
they said they are the first ones, who bring us F1 Hybrids in the market… They know that we have that already or? That is really crazy, what theyve doing.
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The yield essentially caps out at a certain DLI so if you’re using more than that on a 24/7 cycle you’re wasting cash. I haven’t grown autos so that is about all I know on the matter.
I’d assume the best way to grow autos is w/ a sea of green vs having a few plants to make up for the lack of a veg cycle.
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But they don’t, I mean sure, selfing gets you closer to homozygous faster in theory , but it’s definitely no guarantee that you will get progeny as good. Regardless of male of female pollen; random segregation still occurs during meiosis, so the progeny are not the parent. The plant may have crap combining ability, it might well be a great ‘cut’, but that offers no guarantee that it will make a good breeding plant.
And it’s also more likely that you will get deleterious alleles lined up as well.
Also restricting your ‘strain’ genetics to a single plant via fem is a sure way to find yourself in a dead end. What you see, is not always what you get next generation.
Tbh there are so many reasons to use males instead of selfing everything from a good breeding practices perspective that it’s not worth arguing about🤷♂️.
And femanizing, imho is at least partly responsible for the increase number of hermies being found in packs, even from the’ superstar’ breeders.
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You are maybe thinking of CRISPR? The genetic tools used to remove and insert specific gene sequences.
Edit: just gonna pop this here.
Selfing as a mechanism to get to uniform homozygous progeny is heavily dependent on the number of homologous alleles that define your genotype, I.e. alleles on the same locus segregate independently, so the more of them there are, the lower the number of progeny with homozygous alleles in the next generation
With multiple segregating loci, the proportion of homozygotes in various selfing generations can be estimated using the formula: [(2m – 1)/2m]n:
where m is the number of selfing generations(m = 1 for F2; m = 2 for F3 and so on) and n is the number of segregating loci. For example, an F1 plant with four independent segregating loci will result in the following frequency of homozygous plants in F2, [(21 – 1)/21]4 = 1/16 = 6.25%. The proportion of homozygotes decreases sharply with increasing heterozygosity (more segregating loci) in the F1.
Here is a table of the occurrence of homozygous chromosomes in recurrent generations. You can see from this that if you have many chromosomes that define the traits of interest, then even selfing will take forever to produce homozygous line, and shit is bound to go pear shape in the process. I.e. traits that you don’t want can just as easily become dominant. Etc.
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My head is starting to hurt everytime I come back to this thread and read more. Coincidentally, it’s 4:20am, and I’m not through my first cuppa yet 
I had no idea my question would produce this volume of information.
What a great community.
Thanks…
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I think your math is a bit off, I see no data for vegging those photoperiods, unless your growing from clones and even then your using more electricity to grow them. many autos can finish in 75-80 vs 48 to 64 days in veg ( from seed ) and 64+ days for flower, that’s 78 KWH more than for autoflowers running 18 hours a day! And I can have a second crop of autos statrted before you even harvest your photoperiods.
I grow both, so i know, I’ve calculated all of this before. And if you have good lights you don’t need to ever run 24/7, sometimes I grow using a 16/8 light schedule and they do fine!
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