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The key element in the creation of hyperfems.
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You need alien DNA to make hyperfems.
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Too far. You just need the splice-o-matic. Want to cross a potato and a weed plant? No problem!
But if you have any alien DNA I’ll add it to the vault.
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I’m going to make gmo versions of you. Cookies is in litterally everything.
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You won’t find a more elite clone.
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I don’t have a leg to stand on to argue true or false when it comes to fems being gmo or not but isn’t using an external force “ the grower and Sts” to scramble the genetic make up of the plant so a female plant un naturally produce male organs genetically modified?
Not looking for a debate or anything just curious if I’m misunderstanding a piece of the puzzle.
Edit: nevermind. I kept reading lol
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I read a study recently, I’ll try are find it, where they did genetic analysis of so called cannabis IBL’s and the results still showed well enough heterozygosity to be a long way from inbreeding depression. The only plant that I’ve managed to do this with is with some Sour Bubble that are now f11, and they are suffering from a general lack of vigour. I probably put that down to my less than perfect selection though rather than it being strictly inbreeding depression. I just don’t think it’s a problem in general.
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I have dozens of ‘elite clones’ so elite that only I own them. lol.
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This is a particularly interesting conversation being had here with respect to the difference between seeds made with unisexual males compared to seeds made with cosexual types.
As for the original topic of discussion, why are there seemingly more regular seeds offered here within and across the hobby community? Others have mentioned similarly and I think it comes down mostly to what someone is already familiar with and the simplicity of making seeds with regulars compared to masculinizing a female to attain pollen. Surely what one considers simple may very well differ from what another may consider simple. It could better be said that there are tradeoffs with each route.
As for the pollen itself, is there a difference between pollen produced from unisexual males compared to that of pollen produced by cosexual types? Literature would suggest so.
It’s been observed in some select studies that unisexual males are earlier to mature and have a longer maturation window than cosexual types. That masculinization of female plants impacts whole plant pollen production and pollen fitness in cannabis sativa.
Cosexual parenting can be naturally occuring, for example stressful environment response. It can also be synthetically induced. The manipulation of sexual expression is called sexual liability. XX karyotype where all gametes produced possess X chromosomes. This is an opportunity provided by cosexual parenting.
There are tradeoffs for those opportunities. Limitation of resources as a function of energy distribution seem to showcase themselves when more pronounced. For example, reduced capacity to produce male gametes may be detrimental in populations that experience pollen limitation providing optimal conditions for unisexual males to out compete their cosexual competitors through mass production and dispersal or pollen.
Diocy is rare but phenotypically widespread. In a most advanced form diocy may rely on karyotype based sex determination. X/Y male heterogamety. Emphasis on the revolutionary trajectory as it relates to these ideas.
Hemp cannabis sativa is one of the few species on earth with this type of sexual flexibility.
It’s likely that prohibition has been a significant force in shaping the current study and use. Female focus. It’s suggested that there are more complex avenues of pollen competition. That pollen grains are implied to be functionally independent organisms that act as a vector for male gametes. Some studies show that pollen from unisexual plants is more viable than pollen from cosexual plants. It’s thought the difference in pollen production and viability could be from the allocation of resources or due to techniques used like the application of silver which may impact pollen formation. The protandy is that cosexual plants must allocate resources for both flower structures. It’s plausible that pollen production in cosexual plants may not exceed the hypothetical threshold required to disrupt an equilibrium between reproductive phenotypes in a natural population.
I think there is utility in both fems and regulars. It just depends on ones desired goals and the unique context to their preferences and such. The more tools the better in my opinion. Fems are a great tool for breeders and hobbyists alike. If I had to choose between collecting fems only or regulars only I would choose the regulars without hesitation. It’s the evolutionary trajectory and speed of which I prefer if hard pressed to choose one over the other. That said, the evolutionary trajectory and speed of which for fems has it’s advantages too. Different strokes for different folks.
Most of the above information came from: Cosexuality Reduces Pollen Production and Fitness in Cannabis Sativa L. by Wizenberg 2023. Many blessings and much love
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Spot on. I make both regs and fems. Regs are mostly for breeding, fems for growing. I’ll be honest, I really hate having to dig large holes outdoors for males lol.
Something I would like to do is use feminized males for breeding, as they kinda give you the best of both worlds, the big step towards homozygous alleles you get from selfing, but also you get regular seeds at a predictable ratio. The problem I’ve always had with breeding with fems, is that at some point I always want a good line to be regs, they are just easier to reproduce for most people, and having them as regs is a safer bet to ensure the longevity of a line etc .
What I have found is that if you have used fems exclusively, then to make them regular is a long process of back crossing that still often ends up with a slightly different result to the ‘elite’.
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Interesting, that’d be nice if you can find it again 
I’ll search for it when I’ll have time.
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My Part here:
I started with Barneys farm and co.
I did Karma, Serious and Khalifa gear… It smashes the mediocre barneys farm.
If u grow that simultaneously like i did with barneys and khalifa, u see there is a soul.
Stupid fire.
But i got to many problems with fems (Herms ofc). And i decided to go and make some beans my self and get into breeding.
Is it really so hard to use regs? I mean u cut day 21-25 a cutting, put it into a other room and give him 12/12… then u know.
I would take again cuttings and safe me the best 1-2 Plants and then work with Mom’s. Thats why i think reg’s are better (if u have the place). Also if u want everytime “new” weed and tastes, its maybe not right for u.
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Ill do free “Ad” for Aladdin (Khalifa) all day every day, i loved this strain so much ill gave him a cross.
He has a youtube channel and gives out free information about breeding, bad breeders and educated people! He puts the work into his stuff (years of making these strains).
So i fuck with him.
Next week ill get these as Regulars from khalifa him self.
So, that means Limon Blanco is just FEM to buy… But i get some regs…
I think about doing F5 (they are F4) and i dont know give few away, but not for commercial purposes just that guys get good smoke… the best if u like lemon terps
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Sorry for 3 post’s:
Here is my Limon Blanco (Fully seeded) male was my Savage Hulk F2 male (FRUITY, GAS Phenotype) only Sativa was Bruce Banner #5 in this lineage x Zkittlez and Dosidos F2 (= Savage Hulk)
The male had good sativa leafes and his hole apperance was overall a 10/10.
Dropped to less pollen ill guess, was my first selection breeding run so i dont know.
I found this was the only “downsight” of this plant i “think” he dropped less pollen then a plant should i dont know honestly, but the plant is a 10/10 and all is fully seeded the entire room.
And man, he had a hollow stem, he was healthy, his growthrate was insane, stemrub early on (day 21) was strong fruity, he showed so late sex etc.
he was the best plant overall in the room… im on day 58 or something… im so stoked to get these seeds out.
Look how frosty she is, even fully seeded… a gem
@slain
Then u should give new blood to your F11.
Maybe get a Aladdin Skunk from Khalifa? Its an TRUE IBL. Its the Original Skunk tho, he got it from the man himself and did 3 more generations, u should get these crossed togheter such nice vigor plants!
Or maybe a Bubblegum from Serious Seeds? IBL as well.
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the lady on the last photo is full of trichomes, does not look seeded
Or cowbell.
Wow, You’re the man! Very good answer!
Pz 
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Funny, Over the past 10 years I’ve questioned the exact opposite.
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