I think i will launch another pack of old seeds today, let’s call it summer cleaning.
Happy to meet an ally in a battle already losted then. We have already won the war anyway, they are giving us the final victory in a silver plate, themselves. Not only in lowering the standards each fucking year, but also in making each year of our resistance more bankable professionally ^^
I got you. My grid of reading is a bit different.
For the money first, I’ve nothing against at all. I’m pretty much liberal, the old fashioned way (not Marxist either). I think Americans call it libertarian but i don’t like their libertarians at all ^^
So i hate freebies, because i know what they are costing in the whole equation. Inflation included ^^ I also hate mechanisms that are destructing money, we work our ass of to get it … seeing freebie’s lovers burning it to roll a fatty make me crazy. Free seeds are for me belonging to the international community, not something that have to be linked with any kind of market or niche. It’s also a mine’s canary that we need.
Now let’s speak true, fems are a fucking gold mine specifically because it put in a spiraling jail the stoners. I like democracy too, if the overwhelming majority want it so bad … so be it. This gold can be invested for the long term too, to buy time, firepower, and to repair the damages done.
Seeds-to-smoke can become the R&D investors that are no longer interested to wait 3-5 years for an unique release. And let’s speak true, I’ve more often met (real) breeders disgusted to be forced by the customers to release fems to pay the bills, than the reverse.
Not much people realize it for now i think, but the true dynamic generated by this rat race … is the insane inflation of the genetic creativity and of its “know how”. Its privatization too. What we were buying in old days as a promise to have a stunning motherplant per pack, is now mostly a B2B trade.
But i’m believing in the efficiency of the market, when all decent genetic materials will be retailed 250-500 bucks as the standard price … people will not have any choice but returning to think a couple of seconds before giving their ass to a few business-school-smart-ass. Trust me or not, in Spain the wholesalers are mostly coming from stock market trading and banks ^^
I appreciate Kevin Jodrey by example (more in the 2016-2018 era than now) to give a coin, he was the voice i was surprised to see popping up from the ashes. True practical talk, true vision of the big picture and passion. He’s not perfect, i don’t idealize, but he still get my support today for the initial dynamic behind.
Practically i disagree partially, i consider all kind of mutagen factors (natural or artificial) as more than dominant. I also treat the herms in our cannabis as a dominant expression of a mutation, i got this far.
You’re not wrong at all in your described belief, most of the special plants referenced were “found” and not created. But they are all coming from created lines initially, no matter if it’s from a modern hybrid (that, unfortunately i consider as classics now) or from a cultivar of ancestral farmers that loved to get high.
By default, we are all hunting the exception in the chaos. Now for my philosophy, the difference between making this exception a stabilized expression or just a comet is the same difference between selecting a nice motherplant to smoke/sell as weed, and breeding.
Considering this, i can even dare to take a shortcut and say that cannabis breeding is mostly a pure recessive breeding affair initially. And without blushing. It’s also something not well understood and digested in the empirical approach of Mendel, the concept of dominance and recessivity is fully contextual. And not an absolute paradigm of any form of determinism.
No, and it’s why i fell in the breeding’s cauldron younger. I wanted to have at home this coffeeshop menu of the Dampkring ^^ Specially their jack herer lol Also the tangerine haze of Barney, but i digress.
The input get a ton of torque from here, and give me the opportunity to expose a methodological problematic not very well understood by “starting wannabe”, that by default don’t have enough teeths broken by major failures.
I understand the thinking behind the sentence, but in all honesty it’s for me the expression of a methodological problem not solved. Replace “once-in-a-lifetime female” per “once-in-a-whole-line female”, and we are on the same page.
Today, it wasn’t the case even just 20 years ago. Breeding was a “survival” purpose, on which you injected sometimes an investment. Seeds weren’t yet a product on the shelves of a saturated supermarket. I don’t blame or talk about it with the tears of the nostalgia, it’s how all popularization work. And the vulgarization of cannabis is in my book a good thing.
I just find sad that a lot of new breeders don’t resist much to pair all their stuff with an unique male, showing this way that the potential of their work is just in fact a motherplant’s dance. I’ve a big respect for the fools maintaining truly isolated strains in their catalog with unique pairing, even if i don’t like their work as weed. Because it’s simply how i see the things, it don’t mean that it’s the only one way to make a fire weed. But lasting in this game … it can be fairly debated by the facts ^^ How many breeders trapped by an unique cut (male or female) or an unique flagship … a bunch.
A big seed company will never capitalize on a male, it’s a management of a genpool that is completely different at this scale. Sometimes (often, to be honest) a single strain of the catalog represent a kind of white label on its own, but sold under the brand. Just like i don’t know, cars that can use an engine not made by the company.
I’m a raver-punk in the fiber, i like to show proudly to goliath how he’s weak for a single stupid detail he’s too tall to figure out. The single grain of sand that can fuck up the whole machine ^^
Don’t be humble, no way. Go fight with your objective allies, show your colors and be proud of your wounds. It’s the proof you’re not just dreaming.
Nah, sorry to say this like it (without bad intentions) but i find it pretty naive. Weed was always a currency itself, and a nice asset on itself. Prohibition or not. The hands playing with this green money have just not the same head, so the ambient changed naturally.
It maybe one of the rare market that never fail and that showed his great resilience even during world crisis, it’s a stellar horse for money lol
The methods used to make the cannabis what it is today don’t have any “doomsday” treat. Nothing is lost or disappearing, but the people lasting in this game and the rate of their renewal. Transmission too, harder than ever. Being dedicated to breeding is not an easy ride and mean a lot in term of sacrifice and compromises. You need stainless steel balls too ^^ It’s only a dream job when you’re more fascinated by the plant than by the blunt.
Here they stay the most expensive and constantly out of stock luxury buds of the black market, nothing changed.
Ancestral hash makers of Maroc don’t waited “autos” (sic) to operate multiple harvest a year. Question of point of view, but i understand what you mean about the recreational CBD rush.
Here you can find books/readings that count for me. I mean, practically.
I consider the Duckfoot and its contemporary competitor the Freakshow, as breeding exploits. I’ve only played with specific mutations revolving around the natural double ovary phenomenon of cannabis to learn the genetic cost of a mutation on the long run. Phyllotaxie too. It’s all my science on the subject, and not included in my priorities in breeding at all. Not my game ^^
My opinion : if you can’t determine what is the generation of the starting point you’re working with, just ignore it and replace it by a neutral notation. Like i don’t know, Freakshow Gen1. Something like this. Searching absolutely to label it without the insurance it’s wrong or true will more arm your methodology than helping it, specially for genetic material born initially from a mutation. Each mutation shuffle the cards on his point of generation anyway, better to map the new dynamic directly.
I think you’re mixing correlation specially because the reason i just explained. Your Freakshow material don’t “breed-true” (to please the Vic adorators) in F1 just because the balance permitting this singular expression is specifically an exploit born from an unplanned singularity that is touching the main vital functions of the plant. Maintaining this type of expression after the initial mutation is absolutely not different that creating an “auto” strain in practice.
In your equation it’s not about the recessivity as it, it’s because you have not “reverse engineered” what is creating this mutation. Even if it require a very structured system of notation, pheno-tracking and a specialized method for this job … it’s possible to understand the segregations in game (that revert back the genotype) by different kind of pressures. To stay on the subject, selfing is one of the wrenches in the toolbox. You can also spend this energy and time to just try to make it an expression not rejected by the genotype, all roads lead to Rome.
We all are buddy. Don’t feel alone like this, you have a lot more friends that you’re thinking.
I personally don’t think that what make a skunk, a skunk is the same thing that what make a white widow a withe widow. I totally disagree then.
We are used to call it breeding plans. But if it’s really your poison, go play with GA3 or any proven mutagen tools to operate a quantitative breeding to find the right firestarter. Then make your own Freakshow/Duckfoot.
In my opinion, it’s better to prepare your genetic material before : the purple bud / red stigmas / purple stem / vineyard line. Only to stabilize it in a single line is a bit expensive in term of lifespan to be honest ^^ Let’s call it the Ara line lol
People just don’t care about breeding and its realities in general, sincerely. I’m not saying it as a rant, there is people very good to pilot sport cars and that know nothing on engines. And engineers very good to build fabulous engines and that are unable to don’t crash with them. It’s the human nature in all its beauty, and the mystery of DNA combinations a little bit also ^^
It’s just a question of methodology, based on the “know how” to set different levels of selection in accordance with the ratios expressed in a given generation.
The first priority in your example is to screen out the herms from the potential. Herms that are triggering naturally are fucking chaos agent shuffling the cards each generation, so that are signing you for an infinite and spiraling mapping each generation. Running with a broken leg to be simple.
The second priority is to play Black Jack until the casino is blacklisting you ^^ The analogy is not even fancy actually.
The more you’re charging on you the constraints of results, the less you have chances to win the game. Because you depend on an unique exceptional case regrouping the constraints. Better to play the delta, and even more efficient, including the failures of the croupier in your factor of success.
Split your efforts, create three specialized lines and work the traits independently with this strategy in mind. But before everything, write down in a piece of paper what it represent in term of work and time. To rationalize your goals and the efforts that need to be developed. How many time and money cost one round of screening ? Can I afford it considering the dead line ? What is the ratio of occurrences per round ? Is it increasing each time or i’m making mistake ? … a good breeding plan always start with good down-to-earth questions ^^
I’ve spotted a hint of Vic High cult ^^ Homozygosity is not related with any given generation, it’s just an award or a curse of a given work of selection applied correctly. Yes, you can engrave fucking bad things for good in doing rightly the job too. Homozygosity is also this, and is this most of the time by the way : what we are fighting most of the time to get the sexy exception or the given refinement.
Split your efforts, choose a quantitative approach is you don’t really want to know what is generating these traits and don’t lost time on the sex of angels : just rush methodologically until the results are coming. But never forget to evaluate the progress with ratios at each step, one good perfect pheno per round isn’t a victory. In term of ratios it’s the reverse actually ^^
Because it’s generally poorly expressed on the practical aspect, masked by a shit ton of cascading technical veils. Now, for one time, this is a personal judgement i permit to myself ^^
Selfing is one way to isolate a phenotype, but the only one practical way to generate a new genotype in one round with this phenotype. That’s the real thing to understand actually.
In printing the phenotype on itself, you reveal clearly the weight of the hunted traits for the progeny.
Reinforced ? Diluted ? Annihilated ?
Don’t fall too much in the passion of some, it’s not an automated manner to suddenly produce an army of the “saved” phenotype. Breeding requirement still around the quality of the results, and it start at the selection of the initial said phenotype.
No, these recessives phenotypes are no longer recessives. The concept alone of recessivity doesn’t even exist in a S1 progeny, because there is no longer a genotype on which is based this recessivity but the artificial one you have “handcrafted”. For the better and the baddest.
In a second layer you have the concept of genetic sturdiness. If the phenotype heavenly fit on itself without much letting room in term of priorities, he will eat everything or at least suddenly stabilize the outcross. Just like a well operated backcross (not based on a mutation). Will it last forever ? No. And generally selfed and BX injections vanish very fast while inbred. But it’s like with an IBL, maintaining a line require cares and to know the variations like your kids. It’s why it’s also important to write decent, practical and rationnal breeding plans before launching any single seed.
I totally hate what i will say, but yes it’s possible. But we are talking about a kind of skills set that represent a fair amount of digits per year on the paycheck ^^ And we are not talking about a stakhanovist method limited to self in chain one cut, but a mix of technics used in a dedicated method for the project, that is evolving in real time with the plants. Not even something that can be asked to the best “Vic High or DJ Short” of the world, because it’s just impossible to write black on white.
Like asking to a rallye pilot how he exactly turn, brake, accelerate, transfer the mass … the whole time each second. It’s just impossible to replicate, even in recording every single action in real time.
Good philosophy, stick to it.
You’re just lucky to catch my trolling while i’m waiting for these fucking seeds, in a very little corner of the big OG ^^ Time to launch the next oldie by the way. Nice talk, thanks for the stimulation ;o)
Marketing and vicious AstroTurf is a fabulous inbreeding tool 
, it remove fast the most annoying scories of the phenos : the free will ^^