Breeding Hermaphroditism out of a Strain

He’s just trying to hustle you for a quick granola snack.

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Fair enough enjoy. Last thing I need is more seeds. But that is the only way to prove it. But i do have a link read if ya like or don’t. Enjoy your Seeds!

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Granola gives me heartburn…

atm i’m writing you now, i’m writing also in real time something a bit more extended than this ^^ But for me four are monoic, and one dioic. Depend on the grid buddy, get some elasticity.

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You cannot breed it out you can only breed towards plants that will be triggered to show intersex less. All cannabis has intersex just like they all have leaves and you can breed towards plants with less leaves too but you can’t eliminate the leaves/intersex.
If you grow out those seeds and select the ones with no intersex in your room with your techniques then you have a great mother for you. No seed or clones is guaranteed to grow the same in different environments with different inputs.

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The “girl side getting more competition” could symbolize how certain genes or regulatory regions might become more active or face more regulatory challenges when chromatin loosens due to stress compounds or enzymes that demethylate regions that activate machinery or chromatin which leads to the pollen part of plant to be activated. The severity of the reaction depends on the plants DNA and how stable or unstable it is. leading to changes in expression patterns. It’s a creative analogy for how gene expression might shift in response to environmental or internal signals.

This situation now has two nucleosomes that are now euchromatic because of stress hormones so it’s a girl-boy now?

How strong a signal needed depends on degree of the strength of the charge on nucleosome maybe and that depends on the base combinations right?

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It’s talking about the wires of the nuclear plant, overall. If you don’t change the amps of the core, wires are just cosmetic considerations ^^

Damn the modern releases are so filled with herms that more and more folks are just unable to believe the simple word “stabilization” ^^ “IBL” too, i saw this as well.

Not even that the sexuality of cannabis can be worked like any other trait. And this after … over two decades of domination of feminized seeds :rofl: I mean, in term of proof in the cake it’s quite an elephant in the hallway, I think.

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Stabilization has nothing to do with intersex. Perfect example of cult behavior. If you have worked with landrace strains over 7 generations you would know that intersex is more prevalent in wild cannabis than in the hybrids we have now. Feminized seeds exist in landrace because of this and have always existed naturally. Intersex is just as common in male/female bred seeds, if you are unaware of this you have not done enough work and lack experience on this issue. Again the level of arrogance you show does nothing to help the discussion at all. Once again I can disprove your argument, since you believe it can be eliminated “stabalized” send me those stable seeds I have room to do stress test on them and prove there no different than any other cannabis seed/plant.

Worship me.

Pot. Kettle. You.

I run into herms from time to time but I’m not going to invite them into my garden for fun or to prove anything to you.

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Ill have you all know im working on a line as we speak that exclusively does nothing but Herm and only herms even stronger the more you try to work it out of it.I will call it Cocks-N-Frocks.Shit will be LAF.

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Let’s roll a fatty to fuel this one. ^^ I’m not innocent you’re a troll, writing under a troll name, doing troll things :clown_face: But i don’t know you’re one of the rares to don’t be in my ignore list for now, worth to be mentioned lol

Let’s turn this nonsense sentence in something funky. First, it’s important to mind a bit about the two concepts cooked here like a spaghetti plate.

Stabilization : It’s just a qualitative state of a trait. Any. Often mixed by the stoners with the cubbing legends and all these magic shits “that work for all lines and all specimens of the galaxy”.

For the fresh meat that only known releases it’s legitimately hard to handle. The importance to don’t even mix the uniformity of a trait over a genotype (flowering time) and the stability of a trait as genotype (singular trait defining a strain).

In anyway, the stability is a state that is gradual on a scale that mathematically can’t reach 100%. Practically, it’s the number of occurrence of a given trait.

5% herm progeny and 95% herm progeny, don’t mean the same thing for the stability of the line. And for the stability of the trait itsef : hermaphroditism. There is no intersexing with cannabis. It’s pure anthropomorphism, for political purpose or not.

By example this one was classy, it pass no problem. Make me even smile ^^

I never passed over two digits generation with any line. Still a failure and an attempt in my young ages that i’m proud of. I’m no longer in this game since 2 decades now. Just keeping one around now, like we are all supposed to do i think.

Unfortunately, i have to remove this comfortable carpet under your feets. The monoecious prevalence is not dictated by the rate of domestication but by the line itself.

At wild state, you can find perfect dioecious cultivars as well than solid monoecious cultivars. At the world scale.

Needless to say that a commercial label follow the same rule in its jungle of offer.

So, no. The reality is less comfortably sorted and binary on the subject.

Not because anything just because the feminized seeds are a whole human process that target a specific results. It need the human hand to be effective.

Natural herms propagation is something different, that don’t belong to a selection.
It’s very unpopular but simple : fems are just herms engineered.

When it’s stabilized to be dominant. Cannabis, like hemp, offer the possibility to have specialized monoecious lines and dioecious lines. I mean, it’s offered in industrial catalogs buddy. Get a look before feinting that you just come from the 17th century ^^

I don’t know : “cannabis identify itself to three sexuality at a time, not just twos like in applied genetic” ^^ I like better this kind of trolling … the childish “you-newb” is tasteless.

Arrogance VS Trolling, 1:1 i say. Legit blow-back.

I don’t believe it. I’m doing it since decades, in the reverse sense too : producing stabilized herms called “feminized” by marketing genius.

I’m still doing it and i’m still document it here, in real time. Both, and more. What to say buddy, you have the right to don’t give a fuck. But don’t blame me for this either, it’s my right too to don’t have to specifically interest you.

To make a quote, i need more datas. reg ? fems ? S1s ? volume ?
:rofl:

Then start to show it buddy, i mean it’s legit to show a couple of rounds to be sure we are talking about the same thing too ^^

god :rofl:

I’m sure there is a niche for this ^^

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There will be oh yes there will be ……Watch it bring back the fabled roadkill skunk lol we bred out the hermies and took the skunk with them.We let gold slip between our fingers :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

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Nice one Chatgpt sounds very wise lol This is like reading something from a mental institution patient. I honestly don’t know what you think your saying besides innuendos of nonsense. Still the only proof that needs to be offered is for these “stable” Lines you say you have made, I am not making those claims therefore it is not my burden to prove. It is yours. I will gladly prove it if you provide those seeds so the test can be done. I know you will not though because of obvious reasons. If you were so sure of what you read online the quote here you’d already have them in the mail…
Feminized seeds would not be able to exist without Hermaphrodite genes in the cannabis plant. If a plant in anyway can be triggered aka reversed it has those genes, it has Hermaphrodite/intersex regardless if it releases pollen. If the plant forms pollen sacs it is now a Hermaphrodite meaning it was not eliminated it was just not triggered under whatever stress needed to do so. And with millions of growers with all different rooms it is not a matter of if but when. I am not saying and never have that you breed with a plant that has a susceptibility to do so just like if I was breeding towards high cay-lax to leaf ratio I wouldn’t use a plant that had a high amount of leaves. This conversation is pointless when all you want to do is throw puns and try to “sound” smart. You don’t have to worry about blocking me I will not be replying when the discussion is not genuine. You can go on thinking what you want It does not affect me. I Wish you well and may you smoke on the finest herb and be forever happy, truly.

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Are you just trolling for free seeds?

There’s a better way.

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Must think that “if it works with some women… Perhaps …”

I have see some guy “disregarding” some ladies so she feels like having to do something to have his acceptance. (And with some it works!!)

(Sorry, my english sometimes get lost in translation :rofl)

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There’s just too much anger.

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Not the worse we got sincerely, i guess a new attempt to “sell the free” somewhere else.
I mean if one fool step up in his game, he deserve to be reaped ^^

Outdated. I think that behind the layer of neo-whatever, offense on demand and various others mess … all these crazy people are running blindly in the most traditionnal and conservative models we passed centuries to reform.

I’m glad to have hunted in the 90’s. Our 70’s chicks are definitively the best millesime ^^ A bit raw and savage, “one accurate idea, one accurate will”, cocky, not afraid to work … we missed so much the opportunity to clone them to save the world.

Demonstration of semi-trolling ^^

It’s the detail i like in your phenotype and that is pushing to keep it not culled and flowered for the curiosity. Even lefty as fuck and failed (you was close), you find a way to write finally a fabulous double-compliment ^^

Maybe in 2020’s it’s no longer the case but they were the institutions that published the most on cares protocols, reforms that touched the whole medical body on manners to handle the human side in cares, as well that everything brelated to the DSM : just the list on how we can become totaly fucked updated on regular basis ^^

So … yeah, i try to publish everything i can to get started really and strongly in breeding, but i’m far from this productivity. atm i’m even super lazzy to put the stuff in PDFs, edition is not my poison i like to write on the fly.

Sales volume by example buddy. When you have some weird questions how why the fuck it exist or work, just follow the money and you will have all your answers.

I don’t “invented” this concept, i’m just one follower of a long tradition carried by hundreds before me. Some of them still exist, brick and mortar and all, and imho are a better “proof” to search that a random like me that represent nothing but himself ^^

But one more time you’re mixing a bunch of stuff there. “Commercially stable” is not a miracle to obtain by example, just a pinch of know-how and knowing what mean heterosis. Even with herms materials (the STS is there for you buddy for this, even if it’s temporary).

I mean if you want to get out this discussion from the fool’s feast, we can start to debate first on the concept of stability and to draw the lines and the stages.

What is uniformity and how much it’s worth it ?
What is stability and how much it’s worth it ?
Are both opposite ? Is there a true hierarchy between the both ?

You see … going deeper in the trolling but taking care about the structure of it. You’re only lacking of style and elegance to be a good troll, sincerely. And it’s not something hard to fix, just habits to take.

By opposition, you’re claiming that it’s impossible to have the modern cannabis we’re smoking today. That it fall from the sky. Zero momentum, zero legacy, a true miracle got hot and cooked perfectly in the mouth.

But until you’re showing that you grow something else than words, i don’t need to fight or debate on the question buddy. You can push hard, it make your absence of momentum here more highlighted each time. I prefer the intellectual stimulation, even with crazy stuff, that reminding you all the time that at this point i don’t even know if you’'re able to drive a single decent round.

Let me roll a cone of SD on this one … that’s actually not that idiot. Somehow.
The pink lighter is a true meme for me now. Almost a masonic salute. My tribute. Big fan.

So yeah, let’s speak seriously one minute. I know impossible blabla etc …stfu and read.

Last year i choose to adopt and to save the ass of the AK47. I was expecting work, not regs made with anything around found on the ground. An old stock of fems intercrossed, a desperate BX on S1 … who the fuck know, but it’s the total shit show : herm to the bone.

So the strategy in this case is to make tons of seeds and a long time in as many parralel lines you can. Problem … to test each line in massive germination batch it’s fucking eating time, cares and spaces for only pure R&D. Blank shot.

I mean just a serious service in fully dialed and automated conditions can work for me. From dry cycles lenghts to pot volumes in passing by nutrients abuses. Even for the PH you have fully augtomated pumps … i mean mounting a serious and bankable “stats unit” with real time watching on login. It’s not a ridiculous idea if piloted rightly and with a real care for the help to breeders it’s representing. Specially in these dark ages when commercial stable lines are as rare that hair in my head.

Just throwing it, not lying one minute on my interest on this kind of service. You’re not the horse for this obviously, just using your stimulation to share a true lead you have opened, finally.

Even in staying in this vein … let’s play true then with you.

What label respected and trusted label you’re representing to sell me your stamp in my release ? And how much.

As well, i’m asking myself if customers will trust it if it’s a private entity that sell the service. They are already educated on the fact that dispensaries sell them poisons stamped “sane” and “safer” vape pens that mulch their lungs.

It’s rare and long to gain such proximity with me, even with my best online friends. What i’m getting prepared atm, and mailed after have finished this post, is a few nugs of Sour Diesel to someone that gave me a scientifically approach to manage the genetic health of mother-plants. Not even for the balance, but to share the results of the experiment it generated. It’s a bit cultural also, in EU most of stoners swear by the ECSD. It’s also an opportunity to share my point on this genetic.

So no, it’s not that simple and fast. Anyway at the moment you don’t have living plants to show … it’s ultra dead with me as with many others OGers buddy. Useless to lie lol

Let’s roll another one, too tempted. I start to click ranbomly and screw up post while writing ^^

Totally exact. Laser agreement.
But it’s not that easy to share widely, due to the feminized seeds market.
It’s coming gently now, people start to realize and taboos are falling.

The legitimacy to stay "looped "in STS regulation as well, even if i’m very critical on how i see it dialed and applied in general for now. Just in term of safety, it shouldn’t be vulgarized “spray & prey” but more prevented on exposure to people, animals and soils. Yes it’s safe to use and not a big deal, but protected and in respecting basic rules of common sense.

That’s accurate, a bunch are making a virtual line and i’m not : if the plant is monoecious, the plant is monoecious … basta cosi an no fairy tales.

I see the narrowed angle now, and i will not destruct it. Because after all i’m entertained.
In a way, yes. I give it to you, Coubertin style.

No sense buddy, it was better without this sentence.

You’re turning it in a puddle of piss, but you accepted that hermaphroditism can be worked just like any other trait. It’s the essential of this discussion, it’s sad that you missed it.

Sometimes it end in true challenges and all … so i always try. But for this case no, i’m using you to share different conversations i had, condensed in a wide comment. If it get out someone from the practical shit or blindness … even just a single one, i take it.

Same buddy, i don’t consider you as a pollution yet. All good. Just work your elegance a bit lol

I wish you any grail you’re running after, sincerely. Because after all, it’s all about it at the end of the explorations.

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Now you are trolling :laughing:

They also admitted it was polygenic. Baby steps.

Fun to watch OG antibodies live :slight_smile:

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