The end result before transplant…healthy ladies. 
Alaskagrown
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I’m so jealous of those roots … I’ll be getting that dip n grow for sure! It’s incredible! Man those look great!
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Do i need a Cover/hood?
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A cover ( dome) would help at the begining to keep the cuttings from drying out. 
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No never use a dome with a aero cloner.
Edit: I should explain…With a dome and higher RH from the reservoir evaporation it will lower the transpiration of the clones and slow them down quite a bit…and can cause them to damp off. The goal is to root clones as fast as possible to help eliminate any damping off…rotting…
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@Alaskagrown I hope you don’t mind me posting this here. I looked around at the cloning related threads and this was one of the better ones. It’s a short article on IBA (the rooting hormone). The section on “IBA at a Glance”, with the images, is particularly good, I thoughtt, at showing what it can look like. Along with excessive wetness of the substrate.
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couple snippets:
“Commercially formulated products generally contain 0.3% (3,000 ppm) IBA and provide excellent results. Using higher rates than 3,000 ppm does not improve rooting.”
“Cannabis appears to be more sensitive to IBA foliar applications compared to other floriculture species, such as petunias, calibrachoa and fuchsia, which have improved rooting with the application of 200 ppm IBA. Therefore, growers should conduct their own small-scale trial with rates below 100 ppm IBA.”
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So, I’ve been looking at rooting hormones after revisiting this PermaClone blog post:
Scroll to the section with three suggested hormone additives. The “Rhizopon AA Salts” intrigued me because I like dry products over liquid. But, ignore this product name, the correct product name is “Hortus IBA Water Soluble Salts”.
It is a water soluble form of IBA, called K-IBA or IBA-K. Potassium indolebutyric acid. 4-indole-3-butyrate potassium. C12H12NO2K.
I searched here and found two or three mentions of it:
Hortus website: http://www.hortus.com/IBAsalts.htm
PowerGrown website: 100 Grams Water Soluble indole-3-butyric Acid 99.9% (IBA-K) with instructions | Power Grown
The Hortus says it’s 20% IBA-K. The PowerGrown is 98%+ IBA-K (five times more concentrated). I’m not 100% that it is the exact same thing.
Basically, I’m wondering if anyone else is interested and wants to help sort out exactly how cost effective this is. And what rate it should actually be used at. Eg: If it’s 0.15g per gallon, and 100g of Hortus is basically $100 USD (Close to $200 CAD all said and done, conversion/duties/shipping) then is this actually worth it or would it end up costing more than something like Dyna Grow KLN or Hormex Hormone Liquid (both of which are also difficult to find - certainly in canada - or just very expensive).
It must be the potassium version to be water soluble. The non potassium version needs 70%+ alcohol to dissolve (eg: I think dip and grow is alcohol based). I don’t want that.
Hortus Makes a calculator, and customhydronutrients sells Hortus and has an abbreviated table of the calculator that seem to jive. However, the article I posted a couple posts back about rooting and IBA in general suggests a concentration of 3000ppm (or 0.3%) IBA for basal quick dip application for cloning.
If you figure out how many grams per liter (or gallon, but using liters makes more sense for ppm calculations…right?) you’d need to get 3000ppm… it kinda makes me think this is not a cost effective thing at all - BUT that’s assuming using an aerocloner that would hold about 2 gallons of water (7.57 liters), and 3000ppm target. But maybe you don’t need 3000ppm for a solution in an aerocloner where it’s going to stay and be sprayed on plant stems for a long time. The 3000ppm is for a 5-10 second stem quick dip.
Trying to figure this out.
Thanks.
Edit: Nerds? @Northern_Loki @FieldEffect @neogitus (you a nerd?) @lefthandseeds
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I find the numbers in the article below interesting, though it’s for cloning in a substrate of some kind, not pure hydro like an aerocloner. So it’s not really what I’m looking for, exactly. It also doesn’t give any other details about the environment (ppfd, temp, rh, or any element other than ‘N’ - which I know is common for people “in the general horticulture industry”.
-“The ideal rates of IBA and NAA will vary, but the combination of 4,000 ppm IBA and 4,000 ppm NAA, using the water-soluble, potassium-salt forms is our preference.”
-“200 to 300 ppm N applied to the stock plants.”
-“100 to 200 ppm N applied to the cuttings in propagation on Day 1 and 7 as a drench. Alternatively, 50 to 75 ppm N can be applied constantly through the mist system.”
Also, using Hortus calculator to check the recommendations from PermaClone’s guide (which says 0.15 to 0.4 of the Hortus IBA-K per gallon), I think that would equat to between 8 to 21ppm of IBA at that rate. And that might make sense considering the plants stems will be near constantly being sprayed with it for one to two weeks.
Let’s say you used 0.20 grams per gallon.
$200 CAD / 100grams = $2/gram
0.2 grams per gal x 2 gallons (example reservoir) = 0.4 grams
0.4 grams x $2/gram = $0.80 (80 cents)
So 80 cents per aerocloner reservoir. Check my math and correct any I do wrong please.
How many reservoirs at that concentration?
100 grams / 0.4 grams (per 2gal reservoir) = 250 reservoirs (or 500 gallons?)
Is this math right? Haha. Sorry for the laziness.
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I’m really shit at math so take what I say with a grain of salt but for something like this it might actually be economical if you are going to use something like griffintech or similar method for cloning. Especially since certain products are expensive af up here.
Based off of something like that you won’t be having to make a 3000+ ppm solution in an aerocloner. You could make many DIY 1L containers of Hormex (0.24% NAA, 0.25% thiamin hydrochloride) and Clonex (0.31% IAA) With those powders. You’d need only grams per liter to make a bottle up of these 2 things and in that specific recipe it only uses 40-60 ish ml/gal of clonex solution (3100ppm) and only a few ml/gal of the Hormex solution (2400ppm NAA, 2500ppm thiamine hcl)
15grams of that Hortus stuff in 1L of water is pretty much the same concentration of clonex and you’ll get like 8+ different runs with 1L of solution depending on how many gallons the res is. Considering a 1l of Clonex up here is 30-50 bucks Canadian I don’t think that’s too bad (over 6x 1L of Clonex for the price of 100g of that stuff). Although a cloner like my 144 site that holds 11.5gal that might be pretty expensive to run lol. Can make over 16 liters with the 0.25kg one so at that price paying around 15 bucks for a liter instead of 30-50. I’d prob do some experimenting with lowering the rates myself to save some money.
The Hormex will last way longer too. 1l at 2-3ml per gal will last a long time (333 gal of solution from 1l concentrate)
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Nice. You might want to cut the “net” part off those net pots for ease of removing roots.
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Thank you! I did cut them but did not remove them completely. I had that problem before and just include the whole thing into next medium lol. They won’t be here for too long just enough to get established hopefully! Cheers mate~ have a good week!
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I’m am very impressed by your work and constant results
By far the healthiest clones i’ve Seen in a while
Very interesting thread thanks for sharing
Peace out
For real, I want starter roots like his turn out.
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@Nitt
Post of said roots =)