That’s a valid point. Some lines well blended by the heterosis can ask more gens to show the segregation, the F2 isn’t an absolute rule but a generic one.
Got it. Think about a respiration for the genotype.
F1 (inspire) → F2 - F4 (exhale) → F5-Fx (inspire)
Now you have to differentiate two concepts :
- the uniformity (basicalmly what we get with F1s, for the better and the worse).
- the stability (what you call the consistency)
The uniformity is a matter of phenotype’s selection and pairing.
The stability is a matter of genotype’s management and artificial segregation.
Unfortunately both aren’t mechanical and aren’t an insurance that each generation will tend to the right funnel. It’s where breeding is really starting and not an option.
I listen the “i’m not a breeder, low expectation” mantra but at one point you don’t have any choice if you want to don’t waste lines hunted with cares … let’s speak true ^^
Now it’s normal to expect a wider spread of the genotype with let’s say a Haze x Afghani, that with a (Skunk x Afghani) x (Skunk x Afghani). Many factors enter in count, and breeding permit to plan them (not to master them or to read the future in the guts of fishes).
A debate on itself.
For your exact case, it’s a better choice that running F1s at homeopathic doses. Plant’s limitations … they aren’t even compliant with full cycle of grow, these restrictions are written by morons generating situations they are supposed to fight. The minimal amount of plants just to grow in decent conditions is around 12, and if you’re not a big smoker or if you don’t have to feed another person.
Somes states have better understood this that others :
- ME : fucked rules for flowering (only 3), but unlimited seedlings (op for breeding)
- MA : close to something decent, but global limit at 6/person …
- NM : they are more chill, the legal restriction permit little home-breeding with smart strategies … but it’s just a pity.
I pass on the states that look good but where the cascading “IF” or “OR” make it a joke to just get voices on elections, only ^^
So yeah … behind the “I’m your great friend that let you the freedom to grow” there is the "I’m doing all i can to keep you hooked to the bad guys, specially the medical patient that aren’t fucking cattle or robots : they need a sturdy production and a buffer stock that was never legalized in any state. And they don’t use the same amount from a month to another … it’s like regulating accurately what you eat for years and having to sign something on the honor on it. Just WTF.
I digressed a bunch, but it’s written from a zero tolerance country for everything. Even the CBD flowers can get you jailed here after a fucking moronic THC ON/OFF test. It’s not rolling the shoulders, it’s realizing that finally i’m not so this unlucky VS a legalized grow. We are in fact in the same shit, at the difference that only my very close friends know that i’m smoking ganja.
Like just once … you’re not talking about scales that really imply a big difference.
From three seeds launched perpetually to replace the culled ones, and a batch of 12 seeds … i bet on the 3 perpetual. They will find faster a serious reference within one season.
Height, yield, flowering time, nutrients needs, trichomes maturation … a stabilization imply a global streamlined experience of the grower. Fresh meat gulped the shit about the “entertaining variations VS stability” : it’s just a pure blatant lie lol
Mots of releases today are narrowed around 4 backbones that are inter-crossed in-definitively since soon 15 years ^^ Add to this layer, that most of the genetic circulating are feminized seeds. Implying another level of constraints.
So, what is sold as “good compromise” (releases “chunk & prey”) is in fact a bible seller telling you in a devastated battleground that the temps are cold for the season. Rent his jacket, don’t learn to make one. Because you have to be a semi god to win your legend, with a simple BX that even my mom can drive flawless ^^
Learn to pinch the most productive auxin factory of your plants and the problem will almost disappear. The genetic can’t do everything for you too … you have a certain margin and efforts to manage, before obtaining a true stability that is worth 200 a pack ^^ Just tempering.
No, your selections.
The backward of the heterosis don’t always come in F2 at the same intensity. It’s a generic reference.
In any case, most of the time you’re forced to hunt unstable genetics today. F2 or not.
You overthink it imho. And repros are a pain in the ass, prototyping is more entertaining ^^ If you found a way to use the repros of the others for your project … hell, just enjoy. It’s how our best weeds are made since ages lol
Let’s ignore the absolute “F2” one minute and let’s talk about the remanence of the heterosis that can last more or less. You can have also F1s that are just dog shit if badly paired you know, it’s not magic ^^
The vigor you’re talking about is a consequence of your breeding. After the heterosis, the health and the resistance of the line only belong to you and your choices.
By example if the more terpy pheno of your set don’t have any vigor and that terps are your main priority … naturally you will tend to a line of divas.
The same way, a F1 not worked in any resistance can grow like shit VS an inbred line made to resist to mold by example.
In these subject a lot of stoners are searching sedentary points where the system is unable to make twice the same phenotype ^^ It’s an old thing, but i always found it fascinating.
You selection and its accuracy will always rule the results more than any consideration on the generation extracted or the plant’s limitations ^^
But I still prefer a certain level of consistency in a strain or breeder gear that, even at F2 I can comfortably rely on a good plant. —does F2 generation start to steer away from this “consistency” or not necessarily?
