COMPLETED - Crop King - New York Sour Diesel, now with White Widow

[HappyHemper]

Man do they ever grow a lot in 5 days…

Doing well, same feed schedule as last week, except i am feeding much more frequently – they don’t last 2 days on a feed anymore, more like 18 to 24 hours
Calmag full strength
Bud Factor X full strength
Bud Ignitor full strength
Came up to about 0.9EC
on top of that, 2tsp to 10L of Megacrop, brought the bucket up to about 1.9EC

The tent:

First NYSD pheno, a little shorter and denser:
The

Second NYSD pheno, a little taller and airier:

First WW, Bushier and shorter, a little behind in flowering:

Second WW, the monster in the corner, bushy and huge. A little earlier than the first WW:

I can tell already that the WWs will be at least a week behind on the NYSD in terms of harvest, but that has allowed them to grow significantly larger. My guess, based on the earlier soil grow of NYSDs – Nov 20-ish chop for those, and probably early December for WWs. Going to start the next batch of autos in about a week i think.

[HappyHemper]

Another update, nothing changed for feeding/lighting/etc

They are growing big though. Bigger than last time. I think some of that stretch is due to me going to an HPS lamp earlier than last time. I had them on MH through most of the stretch. Should have done that again, but I only have one MH bulb and needed it for my haze. Definitely don’t want the haze stretching any more than it needs to…

All of them:

The atypical sour diesel that looks like all it wants to do is bud. Grew small, but is putting out some good flowers

The large monster WW: she just grows and grows. Hopefully the flowers won’t disappoint. I saw a little bit of a burn/intervenial chlorosis on some leaves, but i don’t think it’s spreading, so i am LITFA. If it gets worse i’ll flush and re-feed low. But she’s drinking lots. Maybe I should defoliate her some… ?

And the other WW that is behind a bit. Just dandy. No issues, chugging along

[SeymourGreen]

Looking great! You are killing it this run! I just gave the triple cheese a hair cut last night trying to get a little more light to the inside branches.

[cannabissequoia]

If that SourD was a bigger plant it’d be ver’ nahs’

[HappyHemper]

@SeymourGreen

You are killing it this run

Thanks @SeymourGreen! The purpose of this second run was to get out of dirt into coco and really give’er hell to compare how the same genetics will do under a watchful eye. WWs were a bonus so I ran them, and they are slowly taking over the world one square foot at a time

The quality of smoke from the diesels of the last run is excellent, confirmed by a few people now. But they are, as you see, not as lively as others.

Still not sure how it will all turn out, but so far looking good

[HappyHemper]

I decided to pull them out and check over for some minor leaf trimming
Read the FAQ article on leaf trimming – still confused, so I have been keeping very lightly; killing tiny larf factories and removing leaves that are sticking together and staying wet because of transpiration. Is this the right thing to do? No idea. Never bothered before; but then again my results were not the greatest before either.

Any input on experiences with trimming fan leaves and culling smaller buds is definitely welcome.

Growing Consensus Synopsis Paper: Should Fan Leaves be Trimmed?

Growing Consensus Synopsis Paper Should Fan Leaves be Trimmed? There are a number of theories why fan leaves should or should not be removed. The purpose of this paper is to analyze cannabis cultivation techniques that advocate for and against fan leaf removal. A summary of each theory is presented, followed by a review of fan leaf function. The different theories advocating for and against the removal of fan leaves are then discussed in the context of fan leaf function …

Here is what they look like in a group, and individually.

Group shot of the bottoms:

Group shot of the canopies:

SD #1:

SD #2:

WW #1:

WW #2: The monster…

Weird thing – White widows have NO smell. SDs STINK.
I seem to be at least 1 week behind last grow on flower development – i wonder why?

[cannabissequoia]

@HappyHemper

…
Read the FAQ article on leaf trimming – still confused, so I have been keeping very lightly; killing tiny larf factories and removing leaves that are sticking together and staying wet because of transpiration. Is this the right thing to do? …

I think it’s more of a “specific tool” for a “specific problem”… as in, improving airflow through the branches/canopy, allowing light to a shaded branch or growth tip, clearing dead leaves or pests, or in some cases for harvest economics or production efficiency(saw some “jungleboyz” youtuber remove everything but the top 3 nodes on any branch).

It doesn’t seem that allowing lower popcorn buds… “larf” is N’T a net-drain on the plant but they’re “just in the way”

Dunno. my 2 cents.

edit: ISN’T a net drain…

[HappyHemper]

@cannabissequoia

It doesn’t seem that allowing lower popcorn buds… “larf” is a net-drain on the plant but they’re "just in the way

I can deal with “just in the way”, thanks, this eases some doubt! No net drain = i’m happier than usual. Now that lots of sites have formed I’m simply pinching the ones that are just starting to form, those will definitely not get very far. Otherwise I think I should just let them do their thing but it is hard not to mess with them

[HappyHemper]

K, some challenges coming up with this auto run. Overall though, still way better than last auto run, but some challenges.

First off, the diesels are foxtailing (i think that’s the term?) like motherfuckers. Instead of all the little buds forming in one place, the stems stretched like hell and tiny buds are all over the place. I am pretty sure these will not fill out to the extent that I’d like to see them. Too damn stretchy. One plant worse than the other, but both are doing it.

Things different about this vs last grow:

1. colder night time temps
2. HPS switched for MH a couple weeks sooner
3. Megacrop through early flower over my usual Green Planet stuff
4. Coco instead of dirt

I’m sure the weight will be the same, as there is a shitload of them, but the appeal will not. My wife says “the grinder won’t care”. True that i guess, but still.

The other challenge is that ridiculous White Widow. Seems that she has pH/nutrient lockup issues. On newer growth, old leaves unaffected. I am guessing that I have not been running enough off to waste, and the coco has a very high salt load in it now. Admittedly, she is the thirstiest by far, and I feed them all at the same time and about the same amount, so the other three, that show no issues, have way more runoff.

This monster is in a 2Gal pot, and I am pretty sure that the roots look like one of Mr. Sparkle’s solo cups. @Mr.Sparkle, i know you run a rez, but how much runoff, approximately, do you program your system to deliver? I would imagine a salt buildup in those little cups is a design factor.

Any ideas what else this could be?

My plan for tonight is to dig her out, put her in the sink, and run about 15L of EC1-ish calmag/base solution through the pot.

Otherwise, it’s a full tent. I like it…

Cheers,

HH

EDIT: Flushed the WW. 15L of EC1.1-1.2 @ pH5.8

[cogitech]

I have no insight to offer, except I like the way your wife thinks.

[HappyHemper]

Yep, she has a way of bringing me back to earth pretty quickly…

[Esrgood4u]

Yeah white widows grow to some awesome sizes God help you if you try to train and control her as she just turns it around and bites you on the ass

[Esrgood4u]

This is the same thing I always get when growing the widow. It doesn’t matter if it’s photo or auto. I just ignore it and growth wasn’t effected.

[cannabissequoia]

Grabbin the with my amateur hour…

I say light-burn on those leaves.

And the wifey is correct about the grinder, but not the trimmer.

[ReikoX]

Some plants are just skinny like that. One of my Ultraviolet girls (#1) did that.

[HappyHemper]

@ReikoX

Some plants are just skinny like that

If this is the case, the variance between different phenos of this NYSD auto is quite wide… Good smoke, but to quote Forrest Gump “like a box of chocolates”

@cannabissequoia

I say light-burn on those leaves.

Maybe? I dunno - put my hand up there to feel what the canopy feels. Arm got tired after a while. I should really make it to the gym more. There is a bitching air-cooled hood with a variable speed 8" fan driving the exhaust off a thermostat. I would say about 5-8" from the highest tops to the glass? If it is in fact light burn, not much I can do. Height is pretty much maxed on the fixture, and the branches are already hella woody, so bending them will suck… I could remove my collection rez and put pots on the ground, but that would be unbelievably impractical to water.

This is the distance from hood to plant. Fan is 6"

In other news, the WW perked right up after the flush, leaves look happier and greener. Note to self: more runoff, less lazy. I ordered myself a Dramm watering wand. Will mix a 10-gallon pail and use my pump to run the wand. Tired of watering by hand with a spilly-ass kids watering can.

Close up of monster WW after the flush:

@Esrgood4u; here is what it’s taken so far to get that WW to somewhat comply… She’s a real challenge

And that flopped-over-twice top is still the strongest meanest bud

Cheers,
HH

[Esrgood4u]

Yeah white widow can take some stick and doesn’t bat an eyelid to it.
This is my current white widow.

See similar rust spots on the leaf same as you

[Roux]

WW is an unruly gal, you gotta have a strong pimp hand to keep her in check, This was my run with her…

What a great thread with details! Looking good

[Esrgood4u]

Haha she certainly seems to have enjoyed the bondage you inflicted on her

[cannabissequoia]

@HappyHemper

ordered myself a Dramm watering wand.

I LOOOOOOVE my Dramm aerator. Can put 60psi/15GPM(225gph) through that @$%er & it still doesn’t blast away the soil like a hose does… Best little piece of plastic I’ve bought!

As for the light/leaf-burn… I see your point about the distance being allright. One thing I’ve noticed is leaf-burn can happen more easily following transplanting…(not just because they’re ‘taller’ )…as if they’re really sensitive until they settle in. Another thing I’ve considered about the burning in small spaces is that we don’t see infrared but the plants sure do. With all that reflectivity I wonder about the “heat” from IR but dunno… Clearly other folks aren’t roasting theirs…