Doing the root pruning thing again, this time with MicroKote

[Hippiechik]

I tried to germinate them after a soak in warm water with a small amount of molasses and brown sugar (1/2 tsp of each in a cup of boiling water, plus h2o2 when it cooled. Prawn Connery told me about it (he only mentioned sugar or honey), and I figured it wasn’t that much different than Murashige-Skoog formula and couldn’t hurt to try.

The seeds soaked and sunk, none were floaters, which gave me a little bit of hope for viability. Sadly, it seems to be mostly false hope.

I still have some left, and I am holding onto them until I can get this: https://microclone.com/store/ols/products/microclone-sterile-seed-germinating-kit

I think if anything is going to work, this will. It’s a gamble, and most likely a stupid decision, but I have held onto these things for nearly 20 years! If someone can find 30 year old seeds in a tacklebox hidden in an attic and grow them, then I still have hope for them.

[OldUncleBen]

I reckon the sugar stuff is supporting fungus and other issues. Folks tend to over think this. ALL 20 year old C99 seeds I did in 2020 germinated. 1 male, 4 females. Haven’t changed my ways in 30 years or so - soak in plain water overnight, sow the seeds that sink 1/2" deep in a tall container…

[Hippiechik]

I think maybe I ruined them by storing them improperly. They were in a toolbox shoved into the back of an unheated closet, and not in controlled environment storage.

If you’d like to try your hand at some, I would gladly send you a few. Most of them sink during presoaking, but they don’t get any further than that. Occasionally one splits, but nothing else.

[shag]

@OldUncleBen

ALL 20 year old C99 seeds

Hey @OldUncleBen
From what I remember years ago you were always about the community and sharing your knowledge ect.

The fine folks here at OG are always doing these preservation runs and I wanted to make you aware of them, they are a free giveaway for everyone that signs up.
The one posted below is over but it will give ya the idea.

Now for my selfish motivation…
I will be blunt here, I think that is how you prefer things?
Do you have anything in that vault of yours that you would be interested in sharing with the community?

I bet some others around here are thinking the same thing.
Just an inquiry, I hope I did not come across as pushy, I didn’t want to sugarcoat it.
As I said above I think I remember you like to be direct in your conversations.

Thanks for your time.
Shag

This is one I signed up for.

Holy Smoke Seeds Peshawar Afghan Coop Seed Run

Peshawar was a traditional hotspot of cannabis cultivation in Afghanistan until police pressure forced growers to migrate to the Tribal area of Pakistan( FATA) in the 80’s, causing Peshawar’s extinction in Afghanistan in its pure state. and changing the landrace due to the new climate and the intermingling of the Peshawar and Tirah Valley tribal area landraces. Unlike most Afghani varieties which give a heavy body high and an often sedative effect, Peshawar is the original Afghan sativa which…

[OldUncleBen]

@shag

The fine folks here at OG are always doing these preservation runs and I wanted to make you aware of them, they are a free giveaway for everyone that signs up.
The one posted below is over but it will give ya the idea.

Now for my selfish motivation…
I will be blunt here, I think that is how you prefer things?
Do you have anything in that vault of yours that you would be interested in sharing with the community?

I bet some others around here are thinking the same thing.
Just an inquiry, I hope I did not come across as pushy, I didn’t want to sugarcoat it.
As I said above I think I remember you like to be direct in your conversations.

About the only thing that may be “preservation” is some very old Mexican bag seeds I’ve had under cold and dry conditions for at least 22 years. I had a friend who sold a lot of fine Mexican pot and saved seeds from the best kilos he bought. We’re talking south Texas area, not upstate N.Y. I remember smoking some Mex weed back in the 60’s that was so trippy we called it “Acid Weed”. I’ll have to check but I think I still have some. What the germ rates are and quality I have new clue. I grew some outside and it was really nice with a clean cerebral affect, happy and fun. In his 1982 book Mel Frank wrote “Mexican weed can be some of the best pot you can grow”.

I also have some very old crosses of dutch varieties like TFD’s O. Haze by Peak 19, etc. I don’t consider that preservation, or landrace stuff. I have pure Dalat Vietnamese seeds I can let go too. A Vietnam war pilot visited the Dalat valley around the early 2000’s and sent me and some others a bunch of them during the old OG days. Here’s one such plant I sent to guy in Santa Cruz. He had to remove his greenhouse roof! Total PITA to grow though. Takes forever to flower which is strictly based on a chronological response vs photoperiod. I grew it indoors under HID’s.

Speaking of oldies, I bought some of the old Afghan 90 X Master Kush from Kwik Seeds. All turned out male. Not that I know or buy from a lot of seed vendors but it seems that Ace Seeds is one of the few that is doing the preservation thingie justice. One reason I got their Golden Tiger crosses and Panama X Malawi work.

Who do I contact in case I wish to share some of this stuff?

Appreciate ya being direct @shag. You’re cool.

Have a good one,
Tio

[shag]

How very kind of you to share!
I think everyone would like to get their hands on some very old Mexican bag seeds.
And yes some of us know the gold you may find in them, Acid weed sounds killer…love the giggly stuff myself.

Been a while since I even heard the name Peak 19, that is an olde but a goodie.
I know what you are saying that would be more of a reproduction than a preservation project and that still may be eligible for a co-op run.

The pure Dalat Vietnamese seeds would be awesome, folks round here would go crazy for some of that.
Cool story too.
We have a few around here that are willing to give us some history, not many so thanks for that.

@OldUncleBen

I bought some of the old Afghan 90 X Master Kush from Kwik Seeds. All turned out male.

That is a real bummer, I think that has something to do with breeding a male to himself, not really sure.
I have heard nothing but good about ACE seeds.

@OldUncleBen

Who do I contact in case I wish to share some of this stuff?

I am pretty sure you submit your info here.

Seed run Co-op Voting thread

About the Seed Runs Co-op : Seed Runs Co-op is a collective effort to preserve rare and discontinued genetics and keep them available to our members free of charge. We want to honor the hard work of past cannabis breeders and sacrifices by freely sharing and preserving their work so that future generations can enjoy it as much as we all do now. It is community-driven and non-commercial activity of breeders, seed producers, testers, and all growers of Overgrow. If you wish to…

Now if you want to go in a different direction you can do that too.
But if you meet the criteria for a co-op the good folks at OG will help you distribute the seeds.

I think everything you mentioned should qualify, but it has to go to a vote before approval.

I always thought you were kinda cool too @OldUncleBen
Peace
Shag

[OldUncleBen]

Thanks for the info @shag !

Tio

[OldUncleBen]

Wow, that was fast. Dropped 3 Tom Hill Deep Chunk seeds into a glass of water yesterday morning. Noticed some were beginning to split so I sowed them all early evening.

[shag]

It looks like someone is very good at storing their seeds…LOL
Good luck with the Deep Chunk.
Those are pretty precious too.

[Upstate]

@OldUncleBen

have pure Dalat Vietnamese seeds I can let go too.

. I have SnowHigh Dalat i can offer in return. These are the originals?
You’ll have to check out the Central American landrace thread. There’s about 20 -25 of us Mexican weed junkies hanging out there all the time. I’m a huge fan of Mexican pot. I didn’t start smoking until 1991 and by then the Mexi brick we got in Upstate New York would make you sleep. If you’re willing to part with a few of those Mexican seeds I’ll make more if I can get them to germinate. If I only came up with a female or a male I could combine it with early 70’s Oaxaca from Cryptic Labs, but the goal as always of course is to keep it pure. I have a worm farm and ultra fresh vermicompost and castings to help aid germination.

[Upstate]

Are those old Tom hill seeds? I know a guy that absolutely is a fanatic about deep chunk But he has dropped off the radar the last 6 months…
@TheCrueltyDesk. I’m getting worried about him

[shag]

@Upstate
Do you have an interest in taking charge of this preservation run if and when it does happen?
Seems you would make an ideal candidate.
To me passion is important, and you seem to have it in this case.

[Upstate]

For old Mexi genetics I’d sidline a different summer project😁

[OldUncleBen]

@Upstate

Are those old Tom hill seeds?

" Description

Genetics: Deep Chunk (Californian – Afghan Hindu Kush)
Type: Pure Indica-type
Indoors: c. 56 days
Outdoors: September

This is a Spanish continuation of the original Tom Hill Deep Chunk, a renowned true-breeding Indica-type strain with roots in the Afghan Hindu Kush.

Freak Chunk (Deep Chunk) - Kwik Seeds - Deep Chunk Cannabis Seeds

He also sent Afghan Mix freebies. Sound like really good landraces. Indica-type Archives - Kwik Seeds

[Upstate]

@OldUncleBen Oh nice. I picked some of those up as well. They look legit to me.
Kwik seeds has legit stuff. Everything i ever grew from them was as advertised and he always gives freebies.
@George is getting into a few of the Afghan mix. I look forward to seeing some grown out. I.just sent some of those out west too.
The same seeds if you had to pay for them Would be 10 bucks each most places. I’ve seen 20 a piece

[George]

@Upstate

The same seeds if you had to pay for them Would be 10 bucks each most places. I’ve seen 20 a piece

They published the story why they were so cheap:

Afghan Mix

This winter (2019–20), we obtained accessions from the following crucial historic centres of cultivation in northern Afghanistan:

• Balkh
• Badakshan
• Mazar-i-Sharif (i.e. the cultigen ‘Mazari’)
• Kunduz

Unfortunately, during the process of transporting these seeds, a genius had the bright idea of mixing the bags together (after all, they’re “just cannabis seeds”).

I’m sure there’s some gold in there, willing to find out …

[Upstate]

@George happy accident for us. Absolutely some gold in there. Premixed and begging to be the next Black Domina with a little work.

[OldUncleBen]

[OldUncleBen]

What a joke this garden has turned out to be. You just have to roll with the punches, shit happens.

I have only one female in 12/12 out of 8 seeds germed and you would know it, it’s been trashed by spider mites. I finally have them under control but most of the leaves look like crap. And what produces buds? Dat’s right. Mites must ride on my clothing from my greenhouse. My citrus trees are a magnet for mites. I will soon be drenching the trees with Bonide All Season Hort. Oil.

Am really disappointed in germ rates too from some recent seed purchases. Recently, out of 4 seeds sown (1 Blackberry Rocks freebie from Mandala and 3 Deep Chunk from Kwik Seeds), I have one Deep Chunk that finally popped the soil’s surface yesterday. It’s been a week now since I potted them up after hydration.

In contrast, with my own crosses, even those that I made 20-22 years ago, have very good germ rates, usually 100%. In 2020 I hydrated 5 C99 original backcrosses I did 22 years ago and ALL grew well, until the borg hit them. The result was low potency and yield of C99. Smoke is smooth and the taste is the typical old timey Fruit Loops/bubblegum C99 but you have to smoke a lot of it to get a good buzz. Which is OK I guess. I use a bong with a perculator type bubbler.

Am trying to make up for lost time and yesterday dropped 2 Cannacopia Choc. Chunk and today dropped 2 Hazeman Monkey Balls in a glass of water to hydrate them. Those were gifted from a friend and have been kept refrigerated for about a year now.

Wish me luck!

[ReikoX]

Good luck, I had SM at the beginning of my last grow for the first time.