Too slow and not enough reactive ^^ Finally this day come lol
Get back this portion straight right now, place three matches around, and maintain them with an elastic stuff or tape. Or the plant will colonize the wound and make it solid. It will not help in anyway the cyto to have “massive buds” ^^ You was quite hardcore with the pinching lol, to give you a mark : it shouldn’t produce any tear of the external tissues.
Will do, appreciate the help!
You’ll be the winner of the mapito category by default 
Every time I read about someone using this stuff they swear by it. Looking forward to seeing how it all goes.
I’ve noticed when supercropping plants in hydroponics that if you do it too soon after irrigation the plants are stiff (high turgor pressure?) and prone to snapping more than bending. Not sure what is actually better for the plant, but I break a lot less colas off if I wait until the medium has dried out slightly and that’s winning in my book. Maybe we’re just too rough with em! That one looks like it will recover fine, especially with the hardware 
Perfect, give her three days. (and some amino acids in foliar if you have it in your toolset ^^)
The most important (with the whole ^^) is to understand what should be done and why, then… that all ways lead to Rome ;o)
update : god your growlog is a true black hole of telescopic skills ^^
This phenomenon is quite known yes, and make the Chronic (at its golden age in hydro crops) a nightmare.
It’s inherent to the problematic with Si on hydroponics setups, when “soilless” it become a leverage on the structure of the plant. It can even suppress totally the stretch at high dose in hydro (not especially good for the yield outside gigantic sativas)
My soil sensor has shown that this isn’t bro science. If I water close to the dark period the medium hardly has any dryback throughout the night. That means the roots are sitting in coldish water all night.
It has become that. Looking and learning as I bumble along. Appreciate so much all the guidance to point my telescope.
Me too! Quite curious, especially next to the rockwool cubes.
I performed this “chiropractic adjustment” just before irrigation. She made firm cracking sounds with the pinches. I’ve been supplementing with 0.5ppm monosilicic acid, may have contributed to the structure. Sturdy tree.
Is this what you are talking about @Fuel? Where supplemental silicon modifies the growth habits? And could actually prevent stretch (probably takes ridiculous dose to keep it short) I use it to strengthen them a bit… but figured small doses wouldn’t have much effect on the structure beyond a bit of toughness.
You have mentioned it before…good a time as any to break out the telescope 
@lusid I figured it wouldn’t be optimal having the roots wet all night, but it seems to be working OK. What’s best?
Yeah on Si but the discussion was more focused on the “drilling tips with diamond powder” of roots ^^
To obtain the eradication of the stretch you need to be quite pushy in dosages, at a point that i pass the blunt without getting a toke with the weed of the plant lol
Interesting 
I’d imagine crazy dosage to eliminate stretch. Fascinating to learn all these factors in plant steering. All the nutes, at the right times and amounts can have a crazy influence. It’s a bottomless hole to dig to understand. That’s probably my favorite part of growing.
I use a minimalist approach for this exactly, the observations for almost each elements (among individual specimens) is enough crazy rich to map, to have to crush my mind on special regime and experimentations ^^
I feel like the last couple months I’ve been getting my mind crushed
Anyway, alien stretch version of the 907 Blue Genes x Shiskaberry grew another 2 inches in the last light cycle, broken neck and all. Unstoppable. I had to rehang the light and move her a bit. I’ll get the carbon filter moved soon.
Topped off all the reservoirs with RO water and am quite satisfied with the stability of everything. Haven’t touched pH Up or Down since last week.
PH60 pen had some strange behavior for the first time, so cleaning the probe and will recalibrate tomorrow.
Most recommendations I see are to start irrigations 1-2hr after lights on and make sure you’re drying back before lights off, obviously never let them wilt and make sure the rw never gets too dry. This is where that substrate sensor is going be a good tool.
A little ditty “transpiration before irrigation”
With that said don’t fix shit that ain’t broke! 
What was the ph60 doing?
I figured start of light is about the best time. I think this meme is seared into my mind when I think about changing anything though
The PH60 was weirdly fluctuating in my veg reservoir, 6.07 then 6.15 just back and forth between the two numbers every second or so. None of the other things I measured showed anything like that, figured maybe it’s time to try the cleaning solution for the first time.
In a hurry this AM but generally everything is well. PH60 was exactly on the numbers after cleaning, didn’t do recalibration @NoCal. Just a 45 minute soak in their cleaner solution, rinse and fresh KCl in the lid.
Your progress looks amazing @FieldEffect.
And “oh Boy” did you send me a Doozy Brother!
Sending You Panama x Malawi seeds last Spring, and then watching them Blow-up in your magical Desert, really made me feel special. You know, part of this Team here on OG.
And now to get these Panama x Malawi seeds, back-in the mail, with a Zamaldelica added to the genetics, I cannot wait for September Mister !!
Its Hump-day, here comes the weekend and Thanks a Million FieldEffect.
That a treasure Buddy.
ps, someone at the Post Office lifted / tore the Corner of the envelope open…
Folded corner of the Card was exposed. Nothing out of place. BUT, Someone had a look !
Hey man. Looking good. Please disregard anything other’s have mentioned.
Infinitely quotable. So many memories of funny lines.
Oh god - no! I think I warned you, haha. Hope you aren’t coughing the shit up.
Note: You can buy “rockwool flock”, it’s not “shaped” it’s just like fuckin’ fiber insulation basically. People use that. And there’s a company called growpito, I think, that makes it and is US based(?).
Small styrofoam beads or balls are obtainable, too. I duno about price or anything like that. Just saying.
Both these items cut well, with a serrated (“bread”) knife, by the way. I know that doesn’t get the texture you’re looking for.
Is the foam that much better than coarse chunky perlite? I get it’s different.
Yes, and yes. Be careful doing so, or patient. I don’t do this alot, but I’ve found that you have to do it kind of differently with different…types of plant…tissue I guess. Some stems will be somewhat hollow, some won’t, some will be “woodier” than others.
Your plants look nice and green, and “herbaceous”, so this might not be needed, but:
-if the stem/branch is very firm or stiff, inrease the length of stem that you’re putting the “bend” in (if not trying to actually collapse/fold the stem) that is. If it folds or bends or cracks a little, self healing tape wrap is the absolute best thing for a wrap around splint, haha.
-in addition, or alternative to “pinching” (from all directions) in the area to soften before the “bend”, I’ve sometimes gently “twisted” the target stem/branch. Hold it between your thumb and forefinger+middle finger, maybe holding the stem down further with your other hand, and gently begin to twist or rotate the stem clockwise, then counter clockwise, listening and feeling for the plant fibers to…basically break or snap inside, weakening the stem along the area that you do this too. This also works, and makes the stem more maliable.
-Might have to combine techniques some times.
Would probably depend on many things; amount/type of media, room temp/rh at day vs night, etc. Without a sensor, it’s just experience, trial and error, I suppose.
People with green plants is probably the most notable thing to me. It always draws my attention. Well done, I think.
GML’s topping technique is great. for keeping plants tops even, with themselves and surrounding plants, it’s great. Seems low stress, and it works.
Hey there @MissinBissin! Glad to see that arrived so soon and on a Wednesday. Downhill tomorrow 
I really like the Panama x Malawi, it was a great plant down here. We’ll see what sativa gets run this season. I’ll definately grow out one of those Panalawica Fast just to see how it turns out. I’m pretty excited by some of the other crosses running in the tent right now.
Thanks for all your support, it’s been fun chatting the last couple years on here. Time flies. Figured that would be a good token of our exchanges to date. It’s going to be a tough set of decisions on this end come April when more seeds get wet 
@Nitt LOL no I wore a mask and gloves. I bought what I could find at the hydro store, the loose stuff wasn’t available and I didn’t want a giant 2 cubic foot bag of little chunks either. Figured this was the most reasonable way to get into it. We’ll see. I don’t know what the foam does vs any other aeration material, we’ll find out!
If I like it I’ll look into better options like Growpito or ordering the right stone wool material and foam beads. Just dipping my toe in the water.
This was the first time I deliberately damaged a plant. Used to LST, certainly never broken a stem on purpose. I did the pinch and roll thing and it snapped super loud. She still somehow looks completely unfazed by the whole ordeal and I’m sure in the AM she’ll be getting her fingers in the light again
Thanks for the nice summary!
BTW I received my THCPH-S sensors the other day! Hopefully I can get one hooked up this weekend and we’ll get some data to go along with these hypotheses. We’ll get to the bottom of this timing thing. The data that @lusid has posted is fascinating to me.
Ok, good. Haha. And I used to buy the bulk box of rockwool mini-croutons, they’re about 1/2" cubes maybe a bit smaller. Duno if that’s what you meant by the 2cu/ft bag (the box is bigger). It’s smart that you take a dip first.
Great! That’ll be interesting for sure. I don’t remember seeing that data. I’ll have to look for his post on it if I remember.
Just gonna @Tripl3fastaction, he might be interested in these sensors, he uses growlink if I remember correctly.
Couple of curious things going on that I’ve been thinking about.
While the veg/moms are generally healthy, they’ve been suffering still a small percentage of middle-aged leaves showing brown patches between leaf veins. Here’s the uglier specimens I could find this morning.
Now, this isn’t particularly a NEW problem, so I’ve been waiting (now about 10 days since I swapped from MegaCrop at about 1.8mS to Canna Vega at about 1.3mS. pH has been between 5.8 and 6.2 the whole time. Reminds me of this post from @Fuel about excessive K (and one of the fundamental reasons I changed lines)
I have fulvic, maybe I should try that. It looks like these (B and Mn) could be a factor as well. Then again, perhaps this is all residual damage, it has been chronic for the last couple weeks. Perhaps it just needs more time to work its way out of the plants. Another thought I had was I may have exaggerated this when I first switched to Canna Vega (and added about 10mL of pH+ with all it’s K) and they’re still dealing with that.
Curious what you guys think.
Another mystery is that of the Aerogarden pH. Every morning I check this it’s in the low 4’s. I’ve tried several things. I’m using the same mix as my veg space, 9mL each Canna Vega in 230uS water blend. Anyway, pH stays stable in the tent and NOT at all out in the Aerogarden. I’ve tried pH up, tried adding hard water, regardless of what I do 24 hours later it’s fucked again. The plants are looking good. I’d expect during their vegetative growth for them to raise the pH rather than lower it.
The flower tent is having a party. The relatively large reservoir has been solid for the last 10 days, 1.6-1.7mS 5.75-6.0pH. The stem I broke does seem to have slowed stretch slightly. Some pretty buds forming. I’ll take better pics this weekend. We’re about 2 weeks into 12/12 for the tiny ones behind things and 3 weeks for the big girls.
Thanks for the holler into this thread, lots of cool stuff going on here. Appreciate you documenting everything @FieldEffect.
Yeah, I’ll be interested to see how the sensors work for you. I’d be glad to swap general dryback percentages that I get with my Growlink sensors vs. what you are showing with your new ones. I’m always looking for a cheaper way!! Good luck.
