I believe we have been using the term ‘phenotype’ wrong for decades

I have a ridiculous question about using light deprivation on just parts of a highly tropical haze type. The equatorial types once mature can then flower if light cycle is short enough. You can speed it up by 2-3 days of total darkness and with more northern Indicas North of say 30 degrees down to one day.

Here is the question m, instead of darkening whole plant could you darken like just the apical meristem and will it send the rest of the (Sativa) tropical Indica or Colombian types into flower? I just thought this would bring the plants into flower so you can sex them faster? Maybe @TomHill you might have an opinion? I will definitely focus attention on the quality not quantity of the plant!!! The high and the duration :+1:. Book is awesome; still in Chapter 20, can’t thank you enough for this what I have been looking for.

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I think each branch accumulate hormones independently. If you were to put an opaque bag on one top to simulate 12/12, this top would show sex without affecting the rest of the plant.

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Transgressive segregation, adaptation and speciation

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Sounds like a waste of seed.
Only way to accurately assess the quality of a plant is to grow it to full term with full health.
:laughing:
You may think you’re seeing the full expression but you aint.
Have fun with it,peace out.

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This method has nothing to do with “seeing the full expression” and everything to do with screening for predetermined traits according to one’s goal.

Let’s ignore this part. :wink:

I will never adhere to the elitist notion that you need a 5 million dollars grow room and 115 employees to sort a handful of seeds. Nevah

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Yea. Works on big garbage too :upside_down_face::joy:

12/12 for 2 days and continue on a veg schedule so they eventually show sex a couple weeks later is something I’ve heard more than once. I cannot personally vouch for that method.

I think it was @ReikoX that had experience with this

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Works better with some varieties than others. The Dominion Diesel, for example, were shy to show me anything.

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:rofl: I is a college graduate

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When I first started growing I went seed shopping and thought the seeds would produce what was in the pics. Then I realized that when ppl speak of “Blue Dream” for instance, they are talking about a specific cut, or keeper that I would have to in turn plant enough seeds to find. Which ultimatley means strain names are irrelevant. Even if I plant seeds that came from a certain plant Im not guaranteed to find one similar to the one advertised on the seed website. Its all kinda confusing at first lol. And if a clone can be different depending on who grew it and how that adds even another layer. All it tells me is theres no reason to get caught up in names.

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Anytime man!

We only scratched the surface :wink:

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Can I send you a link to something I found that might be of interest? Who knows you probably already have it.

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I am the same way. It is either indica or sativa or a mix of the two. A lot of purple buds are take under purple lights (never seen a reason to have UV in a, tent that is another topic) so of course the pics look purple. I wanted to get one of those jackets to wear to the grow conventions. Sure I would make a lot of friends there :slight_smile:

I had a friend come over who wanted me to look at some stuff he got under the scope. I asked him “What strain is this?” he said “Weed” I died out loud laffing. My reply back was “whatever it is it is more sativa leaning looking to me”

GR

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This video from Robert Connell Clarke will really mess with your head. It’s one of those “Everything You Know Is Wrong” moments!

Robert Connell Clarke, Part 2: A new view of genus Cannabis

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Yep got the book and it lays it all out. I have a study that ties some of the data together. Will see if I can find it?

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Uhm…phenotype is part of the genetics that is observable, and Can be slightly altered by environment…genotype is the actual genetics of the plant…like the difference between 2 brands of blueberry that are still both blueberry, and have similar flavors, chemical makeup, etc…but have different parents…and within those genotypes can be different phenotypes that look different, even if mostly Homogenous IF grown in different environments and conditions…

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Some genotype can be greatly altered by environment and some are more numb and deliver the same phenotype across a broad range of environment. That’s how it rolls out. And it all comes down to genotype. Autosomal modifying factors effecting thresholds and environmental triggers. It’s a royal pain in the ass to sort through it all.

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And she lives!!!

Bubble gum hash + super pine hash…maybe I have been looking at bubble pine the wrong way and it should take this approach…

(Ya know, the bubble gum pheno plus the pine pheno:wink:)

I said pheno right?

But, I still have that super elite that has been waiting…mmmmm, decades to be crossed to the right pine!

Bubble gum + Pine…Dreamland awaits…:smiley::smiley:

:four_leaf_clover::four_leaf_clover::four_leaf_clover:

homoploid: kinda rolling out

Transgressive segregation of mating traits can overcome obstacles by rapidly creating abundant variation of mating phenotypes The increased standing variation of mating phenotypes then relaxes the sexual selection against novel mating phenotypes, which further promotes the evolution of novel mating phenotypes.

Some empirical studies have reported that transgressive segregation of mating traits occurring in F1 hybrids leads to assortative mating between hybrids, which may contribute to hybrid speciation.

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In my experience, there’s often often something lost in translation where commercial, hobby, and scientific interests collide.

The tea industry uses the term cultivar or varietal, coffee typically relies on the same, or simply the origin, corals usually use common names or scientific names with a descriptor. In every case they’re often used incorrectly and it’s just accepted terminology within each industry.

For cannabis, looking at them as chemovars is what makes the most sense to me. However, phenotype is so widely accepted that I don’t see it changing anytime soon.

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Can these be patented cultivars I mean. I suppose a chemovar would be something that could be patented. Yes all kinds of clever things hmmm? Crossing over a lot of things that are confusing.