I like intersex. Short enough to type and has the word sex in it. 
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Vernal is right, rodelization usualy ocurs when the plant is pushed into over ripeness. Its happens when the plant thinks it going to die. So then you would have to either keep the plant in health some how for the seeds to ripen or use that pollen on a cutting that isnt that late in flower. If your getting seeds in your bud when there not supposed to be there i bet theyāve come out of a feminised plant, one that is throwing bananas early enough in flower for you to get ripe seed at harvest. Most likley a plant that the breeder probably hasnāt stress tested before breeding with it. The gene pool is rife with these unstable genetics.
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Iāve heard the āsurvivalā theory and sort of believe it. I used to always use bagseed to grow. It was coming from very good smoke, and I would usually find a seed or two in the bag I bought. They were always female and always fire. That was back to 1990.
I grew a seed from a Ghost Dream (Ghost x BlueDream) I got at the dispo. That was the first year in this house. It was fantastic and I never saw any male parts ever. And, near the end of the last jar of smoke, I found one seed in the bottom of the jar. One seed out of the whole plant, lol. I still have it and intend to grow it to see if the theory holds.
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I concur with this post.
If seeds take 4-5 weeks to mature there must have been a pollen source 4-5 weeks ago. Most likely unwanted bananas. Not the end of the world but it happens and I wouldnāt use those seeds.
It has happened to me. It could happen to YOUš
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I think itās very funny that scientists who claim to have studied shit come out n say they have found some stuff they thought wasnāt possible before because of what they learned before, yet then it turns out, nature found a way around said knowledge and did so anyway.
Keep your mind open to possibilities and you may find yourself pleasantly surprised one day.
Keep it closed and youāre just gonna get mad at everyone living outside your self-imposed bubble.
No one ever claimed a virgin mary type of pollination.
I have seen many times a flower appear with not 2 but 3 pistils, when that flower is opened you will find 1 anther inside. Sometimes itāll shed pollen. Itāll often be not that far into flowering. These plants are not the typical hermie or intersex plants.
Think what you will, praise whatever you believe for all I care, but letās not stifle growth of the community by calling others dumbasses for what they believe or choose to investigate.
Cause then youāre being the dumbass.
The only one who is ārightā here, is nature. All we do is bicker about it, so weāre all wrong.
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I think the terms you are looking for isā¦
Parthenogenesis and Apogamy
What is Agamospermy? - Definition from Maximum Yield
This definition explains the meaning of Agamospermy and why it matters.
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I forgot to mention, I canāt exactly remember what the absolute details were, like how old or how I found it, but I found a calyx on my flowering plant and squished it open and there were male parts inside! Anybody ever seen that? If they do that, you would never know it. I always forget to ask peeps if theyāve ever seen that.
I think I was squishing it to see if a seed had started somehow. What a surprise.
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Iāve often grown them out all females and never had a problem there a gift from the plant for taking such good care of her
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See . I am. Perfectly fine with this reasoning.
Along with TSTs . And verns .
Fun to read. most of the time!
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Yezzir, much love! Re reading this thread just made my day! 
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I am not seeing any compelling evidence Cannabis is capable of parthenogenesis. Ed Rosenthal didnāt think so either.
It is more likely, and a much simpler answer, that there was a small male flower you didnāt see.
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Well olā Ed told us plants donāt use green light too.
I would choose a better source than Ed for scientific research.
There is talk around town that our buddy ed is not exactly a cannabis hero.
There are a lot of so called cannabis heroes that are not what we once perceived.
Internet chat is often very cold.
I donāt mean to offend here, just sayinā
Anywayā¦
So what is apogamy?
Apogamy is commonly regarded as being rare.
Simplified, it is when a seed is formed on a female flower without the presence of pollen.
Due to the lack of males the plant engages in Apogamy.
This results in an entire copy of the DNA and chromosome structures that then gets implanted into the ovual.
I can hear you all grumbling alreadyā¦LOL
But shag the pollen came in on your clothes or your dog or just through the air.
Well, yes that could really happen and that usually is the case when you find a stray seed.
But if you have searched well and are very sure you have/had no hermaphrodite presence it may have been caused by Apogamy.
How to tell:
When Apogamy happens the only way to verify that it did happen is to have the mother as well as the offspring geneticly tested, you will need a full DNA profile.
If the offspring looks identical to the parent there is a good chance it was caused by Apogamy, but if the plants look even a little bit different it is probably a safe bet saying it was a pollenation issue.
I was hoping for a little fun, so letās not be too serious here.
Peace
Shag
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I think It is Ethos genetics that states he has experienced this and speaks to it accelerating his breeding process.
He took some big shots, folks were calling it breeding with hermiesā¦
Check em out on insta for more on this topic.
I could be wrong about what he is doing, as I stated above you really need to do a proper test to be sure, but I am pretty sure that is what he said, but please do not quote me, check it out for yourself.
He very well may be on to something here, time will tell.
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Iāve had a viable seed in a C.Banana bud, it flowered in hot conditions so I dont know if that was a contributing factor. It grew ok, nothing great though.
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Thatās a theoretical āmaybeā that other plants can sometimes do. No evidence whatsoever of it occurring in Cannabis.
Iām not saying itās impossible, but given what we knowā¦itās overwhelmingly likely the result a regular olā stamen. That does a great job of explaining bagseeds.
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You know what?
I actually have this 1 seed, that I found in a top cola bud, in the middle of the cola. The seed doesnāt look like much, itās very small, even colored, lacking striations. But I actually think that if cannabis does this, this might be such a seed. It doesnāt resemble any of the other seeds I pulled from the other cuts of the same mom, that I fertilized with a variety of pollens. Yes, thatās right, I even had other pollen present.
I am sooo going to annoy the fuck out of you with my bro science right now.
Iām gonna grow this tiny seed out, and Iām gonna clone it, so I can take it to the F2, and I know the mother strain like the back of my hand, and I also know that the seeds coming from the pollen that this strain gives me bear no resemblance to the seed in the cola I found, which is something that makes my bro-science gland tingle, alerting me to the point that meiosis might lead to smaller seeds, I mean who knows bro. We gotta follow this rabbithole.
So I will F2 this holy child of mine, so I can see in both the F1 as in the F2 that the strain I know as the back of mine hand, is still mirrored in the plant coming from the bean I suspect to have been generated into life by immaculate conception.
Or Iāll be horribly wrong and Iāll grow a scraggly or otherwise completely different from mother plant and Iāll have to eat my proverbial hat.
Letās hope my hat tastes nice cause what Iām suggesting seems awfully farfetched.
Iām nothing if not a rooter for the underdog, even if the underdog is a mere nutjob theory!
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I would have to strongly disagree here.
There are a ton of real life scientific papers the show this is not a theory but is truly fact.
In fact it would seem they are looking for ways to artificially reproduce this occurance in modern breeding practices.
Also if this can happen to most all c3 plants and it seems to be true that it doesā¦
Why would it not be true for cannabis?
I feel it is most likely it would be true for cannabis.
Is there a reason that you feel cannabis should be exempt from this?
Is this just a gut feeling or do you have scientific documentation ect. that is leading you down that road?
Again I do not mean to offend here, just a friendly debate.
Also
By no means do I claim to be 100% right hereā¦
I am just trying to relate back what I have read on this topic.
I usually like to provide links to scientific papers ect. when I make a statement like this but there is not a lot on info on this topic.
Peace
Shag
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Could you track it on the forum and post pictures as it grows? Now Iām really curious how it turn out!
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Iām not denying the existence of parthogenesis, Iām saying thereās no evidence itās occuring in Cannabis.
Unseen stamens in female colas adequately explains an errant seed. I see no reason to jump to conclusions as to what could theoretically happen in Cannabis.
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