Definitely a parthenogenic seed. 100%. No other plausible explanation.
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Again just curious here, and you did avoid the questionā¦
Again I have to politely disagree, there is an abundance of evidence for this.
We see it right here in fact.
Circumstantial as it may be, it is evidence pointing in that direction, that deserves further investigation.
A bunch of evidence has been submitted, now some further testing is in order.
Not really jumping anywhere here, just kinda following the bread crumb trail here.
To be fair here, I do not think anyone of us are trying to say conclusively that we know for sure this has happend to us.
And to be fair to you here, any one, or even all the experiences could very well be intersex issues and nothing more.
The issue I take, is to dismiss this as nothing more than an itersex issue when in fact it could be a useful tool to breeders if harnessed correctly.
To overlook such a thing because one just does not believe it could be true is really selling oneās self short.
My thoughts are āWhat is wrong with simply saying what if? and then do some further investigating into things.ā
I do agree it is foolish to speculate, some proper testing is in order here.
Otherwise, it is really just two opposing opinions.
It is completely impossible to tell who has the correct theory without a proper test.
But to me, the idea is at least worth entertaining.
I donāt mean to come across as if I have all the answers, I do not!
Again I do not mean to offend here, but I do like a good fair, and most of all polite debate. 
Peace
Shag
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That is so very many words to say āwe have no actual evidence of this occurringā.
No evidence at all has been āsubmittedā just because someone sometimes find one seed while trimming isnāt even anecdotal evidence. I found 2 seeds while trimming the Chem 4 x PV plant yesterday (maybe itās parthenogenesis!) lol.
Itās pure speculation. If youāre framing it as āuseful breeding toolā why not start an atomic breeding program. Better start cracking open smoke detectors.
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I can see you have your mind already made up, there is no room for what if, in your thought process for what ever reason.
I do not wish to argue back and forth on this issue with you.
May I politely suggest you try to have an open mind to real scientific possibilities in the future.
I must strongly disagree here again.
We have a ton of evidence to show this can occur in c3 plants.
One could expect that cannabis being a c3 plant would be prone to this occurrence.
Why would it not?
Seems like a valid scientific theory to me, why do you disagree?
I have asked this twice nowā¦.Do you see a valid reason why cannabis should be exempt?
Is this just based on a gut feeling?
Why do you insist, without reason this can not happen?
The whole my opinion is better than your opinion routine is not the best way to gain knowledge.
Why does one need to lead to the other, I donāt understand why you are making this jump?
BTW
I personally am not framing this as anything other than an investigation.
But as I have stated, others have said they found this could be a useful breeding tool moving forward.
But again you should probably take that up with the fine gent at ethos, I believe he is the one said to be using it, not I.
Peace
Shag
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Ethos Colin is absolutely full of it. Heās just selling fem beans and acting as if it is somehow different and charges you $200 for the pleasure. Just cashing in with fancy packaging IMO. I think heās more or less a charlatan. Big words and lofty talk to justify his prices and āexpertiseā yet most people who grow his plants getā¦normal weed plants. Heās sorta famous for herms in his gear tooā¦so he aināt doing anything that special.
Iād understand your point about parthenogenic seeds in Cannabis if there was one iota of evidence to support it. But there isnāt, so I donāt. Maybeās and moonbeams.
Burden of proof falls on the person claiming it. So bring forth some evidence, or quit grandstanding about my āclose mindednessā. āWell it COULD happenā isnāt evidence of parthenogenesis. Someone finding a seed in their bud isnāt evidence of parthenogenesis.
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Boy, oh boy!
If this theory is ever proven to be trueā¦
Someone will be eating some serious crowā¦LoL
The only claim I am making is that I feel this is a scientific possibility, and I have stated why I feel this way.
About your close-mindedness
I call em as I see em, sorry bout that!
Just so you realize you have not provided even a small valid reason why you believe this can not happen in cannabis.
Even in the face of evidence that other c3 plants can be prone to this occurrence.
Simple dismissal without cause is just a weak argument.
For the 4 and final timeā¦
Why do you feel even though most c3 plants can be prone to apogamy cannabis should be exempt?
You have provided nothing but your gut feeling as your argument.
In a proper debate, just a bit more is usually required.
Peace
Shag
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I really feel you should inform him of your feelings.
I am not an ethos supporter, I was just passing on some info. to you that I had read.
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On the potcast nspecta claims to have grown thousands of feminized seeds and not once had a true male.
He believes itās possible male pollen left behind or getting in somehow.
Something to think about atleast. He has far more experience with feminized seeds than me.
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Youāre right.
This means you. Claiming immaculate conception occurs on a mass scale and saying itās on everyone else to disprove itā¦
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It does?
How do you figure that?
Also when did I claim immaculate conception occurs on a mass scale and saying itās on everyone else to disprove itā¦
Feel free to quote me brother man!..LOL
Look back you will see my only claim isā¦I feel it is a real scientific possibility.
Why do I think this?
Well science shows in most or all C3 plants apogamy can happen.
So it is a scientific likely hood that cannabis being a C3 plant itself, is prone to apogamy as are other C3 plants.
The only argument that has been presented to the contrary is a gut feeling.
Well I feel my side of the discussion has at least some science to back up my theory.
The only thing provided to back up the theory that it is impossible is a gut feeling.
I feel an opinion based on science fact is a bit better than a gut feeling, but maybe that is just my feelings on this matter.
As I have stated over and over, it happens in other C3 plants why would cannabis be exempt.
I really feel it should not be exempt.
I wonderā¦
What makes you think your gut feeling is better than mine?
It very well may beā¦ but why do you feel your feelings on the subject should trump the feelings of others?
While my statement does not necessarily āproveā anything, it does serve as evidence to support a theory.
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He eats yogurt with probiotics 
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Nice one! 
At least that is based in scienceā¦LOL
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Youāre calling someone close-minded because they wonāt accept your theory as valid without proof.
An abundance of evidence, and the burden is on others to disprove it? Where is this abundance of evidence? All Iāve heard is that you heard on a potcast from the breeder of Ethos, who has a fairly bad reputation in the first place, saying he uses it. I donāt know how valid that bad reputation is, but this seems sketchy.
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lol yeah Iāll just shoot him a strongly worded letter and thatāll make him change his ways!
Itās like you arenāt hearing me at all. You are the one claiming itās happening. I need evidence, otherwise itās just you talking about how I could be wrong. This is like the fanfiction of breeding. Letās see some evidence or results. āPut up or shut upā is something I find myself saying all too often on here. Thereās maybe a nicer way to say it but thatās what this distills down to.
This community is soā¦credulous. I donāt believe things until thereās compelling evidence for them. I donāt know what to tell you.
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I agree, pollen contamination is possible.
But I have a few friends who have found males in their feminized stock, I suppose weāll never know until itās tested genetically.
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I still think itās possible. Iāve grown too many lone bag seeds out with never having a male show up is no coincidence.
Then the last time I did it, was that seed I found in a bud of
Ghost Dream from a dispensary. The whole growroom is all clones from one mother. No accidental pollen.
So, I find it interesting, that after growing that one seed out and getting a really nice Christmas tree full of beautiful buds, outside, and after smoking the whole plant by myself, I find one single seed from the whole plant. I think itās imperative that I grow that one out now to see if it does it again.
At least I know the other time, it was the only plant I had growing here. If it had been stray pollen there would have been more than one seed.
Then thinking I might be seeing a seed forming on a female plant I was growing a year or two ago (donāt remember which strain it was), I pluck the calyx off and squeeze it a little and inside was the male flowerā¦ inside a female calyxā¦??? I think I took a pic, but probably little chance I could find it across two computers full of cannabis pics.
I donāt know who I would ask, but Iād love to know it anyone else has seen or heard of that. It would appear to me, that a seed could have been produced inside that one calyx from the male bits already growing inside. Itās not easy to mistake male flower bits.
So, now I guess I have to at least find and grow that single seed from Ghost Dream to at least see if it is a female again, and are there any seeds anywhere? If I find a single one (not lots) a second time, then I would call that more than a coincidence.
Iāve always secretly wondered about it. Itās how I got all of my seeds in the 90ās. Iād buy a quarter or half oz (sensimilla) and sometimes find a seed or two. Save them and then grow them. Never a male. 
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You have an untested hypothesis, not a theory that is āgenerally regarded as trueā. 
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I see op question has already being answeredā¦
Feminized seeds - they used to be called female seeds wink wink-
Iām sure many of you remember peyote purple. The line was first released as a female line but seeing how people were finding āmalesā at a rate of about 5% they were then sold as regulars with a high density of females.
Once upon a time, I really wanted to know the how and why such a thing happened. Then I realized that by simply knowing that such a thing existed, I could identify it in the progeny and select a different mate to correct it, then knowing why wasnāt as importantā¦
All that reading about modes of inheritance, autosomal to x, to y, older monoecious system ended up in the bottom drawer in my head lol
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Who? Who are those friends? TELL ME THEIR NAMES DAMNIT!
You can see the irony here, right?
Iām vaguely remembering reading about this study where they tested beans coming from hermie pollen.
IIRC the results showed hermaphrodite tendencies didnāt show up any more in the progeny than in lines that were started from regular male pollen.
I should look for it but I gotta make dinner for the fam first. Priorities!
Ok did a real quick search, found the article but Iām not entirely sure on what it says exactly so either look for it yourself or wait for my fam to have eaten!
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