Pheno Hunt - 7 Crosses of Sherb Cream Pie

[als_weed]

Getting There…

Cloners:

The plants are starting to hit their veg growth stride. We still have about 4 that have very limited root development.

However most look like this:

I’m using al’s Go Go Veg o Matic recipe now after starting with al’s Rootin Tootin Setup Sauce. We no longer need the B1 and extra vitamins and res ppms are now up to around 400.

I’ll get these trimmed and rearranged into our 2 groups headed to the bloom room. Looks like we are just a couple weeks away from flower!

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al

[als_weed]

Staging Up to Bloom

I have separated our girls into 2 cloners. The cloner on the right has all of the fastest rooters and will hit the bloom room soon. Our second cloner on the left will happen 2 weeks after the first. Rooting speed is certainly related to overall vigor, but doesn’t tell you if the plant is going to get you high. So don’t get too concerned with a difficult start.

Our Line Up:

We had 3 individuals that did not produce a rooted clone. Unfortunately our only Skunkberry failed and the Strawberry Runtz Pies were feeble from the start. Of course the SBRPs not having drainage for the first week did not help. Meh

Anyone that doesn’t get into this cycle will be added to the next roundup a couple months from now. This is obviously less than ideal, but I really want to see everyone bloom.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al

[als_weed]

One Week to Go

I have shoot pruned all the clones. This is where all the shoots except the top 3 are removed, but the fan leaves are left in place. This prepares the plants for high performance in the bloom room, while optimizing the plants energy by not wasting it on stuff we are whacking off anyways. Tallest plants get their first stem pinch.

Our plan is to send the first group to bloom next week, selecting the best from both cloners. We will then send the rest 2 weeks later.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al

[sardinebags]

you have the best grow logs @als_weed, love the attention to detail. you take quite large clones, those are as large as the momma i keep

[als_weed]

Thanks I appreciate your viewership. I really enjoy showing how far from KISS I have wandered.

As far as clone size. I like 8 - 12 nodes dependent on the plant. I shoot prune as they grow. This leaves the fans for more gathered energy, while encouraging vertical growth. Anyone who gets too tall starts getting pinched to slow them down.

Thank you for your interest.

-al

[als_weed]

This experiment was rudely interrupted when this happened:

The fire destroyed everything on the first two stories, leaving me my spouse, 1 of 2 cats, the clothes on my back, and the plants/equipment in this experiment.

Theads on all this:

A Pause Because FIRE! - Overgrow.com

The Pheonix Project - Overgrow.com

So thanx to many friends we get to continue the experiment.

Here is the state of our original plants almost 6 months after their rescue:

Our poor girls are still in their original 1 quart cups. I have kept them alive by feeding them weak tea and foliar sprays. It has taken some time to build the infrastructure needed, but I am thrilled to get a chance to look at these survivors, since this lump of charred plastic is all of the seeds I have created in the last couple years:

Of the original 40 plants, 39 have survived:

And here is everyone in the cloners:

I got at least 2 high quality cuts of every girl. My plan is to send one to bloom and use the other to replace the original plant if needed. They will be close to a year old in those little cups when this is done, and I just don’t want to lose a winner at this point.

So everyone got a haircut and I’ll see how slow they can grow, while keeping them from auto flowering.

We have 5 months left in this project. The rainbow chase for the very best new weed is back on!

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al

[sardinebags]

I’m glad to see that you’re back and were able to save your work! It would have been heartbreaking to lose years of dedication

[als_weed]

Jan 2 Update

Here’s our girls:

We have roots!

Almost all our girls have at least root bumps. I plan to let these grow out for a week before bumping the nutes and making decisions.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al

[als_weed]

Jan 11 Update

There Can Be Only One!

Here’s our cuttings:

Now it’s time to pick the best and chuck the rest. Only 2 of the 39 individuals look like they won’t make the show. I will include them in a future round up grow for sure. All of the original moms look like they will survive another 4 months, so we won’t be using the extras to plant backups.

The winners:

Root Porn:

All the girls now have a little more space to grow out. I will move them to the next cloners in line as we figure out who will be in the first wave to go to bloom.

As always, your questions and comments are welcome.

-al

[als_weed]

Next Stage

Everyone is now in the 64s, planted a checkerboard pattern. I have cleaned up the bottoms and everyone is lined up under the lights.

Now they veg out for 3 weeks to get ready for the bloom room.

I plan on sending 2 waves of 24 plants to the bloom room. This is crowding 6 more plants per unit, so the less branchy, the better. I will continue to skirt trim and keep the active shoot number down to 3 to help push them.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al

[als_weed]

To the Bloom Room!

Here are the girls in the cloners on plant day:

The 24 largest of all the plants are selected for the first wave. We have a total of 53 survivors from the fire to bloom out, 39 of which are the Sherb Cream Pies in this study.

Here is the top sheet of the data pack, showing the location of each individual:

Here is the first wave freshly planted on day 0:

Notice that each plant has an ID tag. This gives us positive identification and traceability back to the original mom plant. Between the location sheet and tag, we have a double check to make sure there is no confusion. A mistake here can be very costly, so every preventative method is employed.

Here are the girls after 2 days:

Everyone perked and oriented nicely. The canopy is pretty even. I put the hyper vigorous ones in the corners.

Canopy Shot:

One of our big girls:

This is Gran Dawgy Cream Pie #1. ((Gran Daddy Purple x Chem Dog) x (Sherb x Cream Pie)) These genes give us a very nice mix of old school and new. Her number tells us that she was the most vigorous plant among her 7 sisters from seed in veg. As a clone she has far surpassed almost all 53 of the other test subjects.

Looks like a jungle queen and I’m so excited to see what she can do. She has her mother’s leaves and stem coloration. Just can’t wait to see if she develops her mom’s nail salon stank in bloom as well.

Original moms:

Our original seedlings are close to a year old and still in 1 quart cups. They required yet another haircut and just need to hang on for another 3 months as their clones are bloomed out. Organic teas spiked with over 50 stains of beneficial bacteria and fungi let me get away with this cruelty.

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al

[als_weed]

3-4-24 Update - 2 Weeks Bloom

Unit:

They have hit their stride as stretch begins in earnest. I have been pruning pretty aggressively, as we have crowded an extra 6 plants in.

Data:

The plants have been feeding almost every day. The circled s shows when they got a dose of al’s Super Feed N Kill Foliar Spray.

Canopy:

The canopy is even and about maxxed out. The girls are touchdowning and a vibrant green that advertises their happiness.

GDCP1:

I’ve been pinching her a lot and got her strapped up. Gonna be a wild ride!

The plan is to get through the next 2 weeks of stretch with a lot of pruning, pinching, and training. We need to get a decent result from all 24 plants. So less side branches and more pinching to concentrate on a single cola.

As always, your questions and comments are welcome.

-al

[BlackWaterBudd]

Man I like your gear, you have a great system going. When you say pinch is that a good solid squeeze on the main stem? How hard is too hard if it falls over I guess.

[BlackWaterBudd]

I gave one a little pinch today

[BlackWaterBudd]

I don’t think that’s the right one but one of this grow. I squeezed until I was afraid I would do damage. Hopefully keep height down some.

[TeddyNuggets]

Looking good as always @als_weed

I love your threads! Some of my favorite on this site!

Your veg method is similar to what I settled on.
I was always looking for a good way to veg outside of the Aeroflo. I eventually settled on aeroponic clone machines.

I tried using general hydroponic rainforest system with the “318” lids (18 plant sites, 3 inch net cups) thinking I could veg in that and just transfer the 3” net cup right to the Aeroflo, but I quickly figured out that was a terrible idea because the root growth out of the sides of the 3” net pots made it impossible to transfer them into the Aeroflo (the roots prevented them from sliding into the 3” holes on the Aeroflo grow tubes). So I went back to aero cloners.

Do you give them any veg time after moving them into the Aeroflo 36’s? Or is it straight into bloom? Looks like straight into bloom?

I usually gave them 5-10 days before flipping to 12/12. But I also usually moved my clones into the Aeroflo when they were smaller than yours.

[als_weed]

I pinch until you feel it pop. Others twist the stem, but found myself holding a topless plant doing this. Meh

This slows down the elongation of the stem and increases vascularization, which then increases elongation. So after a few pinches, you have a slightly shorter plant that pulls harder on the roots because of increased capillary capacity. This in turn increases the volume of nutrients delivered to buds beyond the pinches making bigger buds.

Look up Supercropping for more extensive explanations.

I’ll post some post pinch pics in the next update for you.

Thank you for your interest.

-al

[als_weed]

Glad you are enjoying the threads! They are a little hard to find here on my little island.

My veg method evolved from going from cloners into home made veggers that used 3 inch netpots, so it was a direct drop into the Aeroflos. It became evident when scaling up past 3 units, that it was much more efficient to go to the bloom room right from the cloners.

Larger plants in every other hole is the best for our favorite plant in Flos.

When the plants hit the bloom room, I dial down the light. I crank it up as quickly as the plants will let me. This is documented on the data sheet because the faster they get up to speed, normally the better they do.

Thanks for your interest.

-al

[als_weed]

3-11-24 Update

Unit 2 – 21 Days Bloom

Unit:

Lots of growth in the last week. The stretch has another 10 days or so and I expect to get another foot of height. I am reluctantly raising the light a little early. I don’t want to leave the shorter girls behind and the overall canopy will be fine.

Data:

I have been pruning and pinching every few days and the girls have been ravenous! Eating every day is a good sign for sure. We are building very solid foundations that could lead to excellent buds.

Canopy:

Everyone looks like they have their space in the light. We are on course to get samples of all participants.

Pinch N Train:

Here you can see some of the pinching and training on GDCP1.

We are 3 weeks away from launching part 2 of this experiment to the bloom room. I have reserved Unit 5 to run the next 24 unknown individuals. I want them as large as possible, since this is everybody’s One Shot Baby!

As always, your comments and questions are welcome.

-al

[BlackWaterBudd]

Wow that’s a great shot of that stem and the process. Thanks for sharing that.

this plant broke during flower then later I seen how the stem had repaired it self.