Pro Health Or Pro Vacination Whats The Difference?

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OK I am constantly being accused of being an anti vaxer. What I am is Pro Health, I am not against Vaccines I am against Forced Vaccinations and their schedules that seem to only benefit the Drug Companies and their profit above patient care.

Below is a a new Documentary Video with Doctors and Specialists in regards to treatment schedule’s with Vaccines. It advises the Good and the Bad that comes with vaccines. I haven’t watched it yet just about to so.

Part 1
https://go2.thetruthaboutvaccines.com/docuseries/episode-1/

Its a six part docuseries I can only get the first one to run atm.

WATCH THE VIDEO BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT PLEASE. IT WILL HELP WITH UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS HAPPENING.

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I signed up for this docuseries, it looks like I should have watched them earlier this week, as the only other one available atm is 6. so here it is.
This is no longer available, shame it was really interesting how most of the higher echelons of the CDC is drug company people.

Also interesting how the drug companies developed the measles vaccine and tested on kids in Africa, which led to a very high incidence of autism. So to confirm this they tested it on Afro American children in the US, in case it was just an Africa thing, which caused the same problem, so they buried and destroyed the information, except one person in the CDC kept it all instead of destroying it and has now leaked that info, causing him great problems in life now like other government whistle blowers like Snowden.

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The drug industry is the most corrupt out there. Ever wonder what industry made most politicians rich?

Great business model though. Get government and society to demonize people for not agreeing with your views on vaccination. Give them a label with a stigma “anti vaxers” . Then figure out how to get your customers to take your pill everyday that doesn’t cure anything. Money making business.

Edit: Sorry about the rant. Pro health is just the positive way to say it. The other way just gets a negative reaction from people because it’s been demonized.

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I am not opposed to anything that doesn’t damage me, whilst healing me, but with what I see being used in combination with vaccines is not good for my body.

They will keep pushing for higher amounts of vaccines to be taken mandatorily, until they think they can’t get away with it any longer.

They don’t have to worry about compensation we pay that, through the government for them, I believe they said in the video says, $2 for each vaccine goes towards a vaccine damage fund, so the MMR vaccine would be $6 paid for by our governments, and indirectly by us with taxes, billions have been paid out to vaccine damaged people according to the video.

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I totally agree. Thimerosol (mercury) as a preservative in the mmr. Come on man, it’s nuts. I can see this making a huge push towards mandatory vaccines, probably untested, unproven, ineffective. ID endorsements to show you’re immune to the virus, etc. Where does that end?

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Dont know what to belive to be honest. Just do your own research and dont push anything on others.

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I try and not get into anything political or things outside of growing, but alas.

I think that Americans have an extremely skewed perception of things like vaccines because of the inherit corruption and greed of big pharmaceutical companies. Is there a conspiracy to push vaccines for profit? I don’t know, but I do know for a fact that vaccines work with their intended effects in that you are subjected to an altered version of the thing you are being vaccinated against so that your body can create a natural resistance to it should you get infected for real.

Outside of the US where the healthcare system isnt so broken (or as broken) vaccines are not viewed as some grand conspiracy to inject you with microchips or to rake in profits, although given the nature of pharma companies im sure they jack up prices so they can. This is true for literally every drug created that does not have a generic alternative.

The lie about ‘vaccines causing autism’ is just that, a lie. There is ZERO evidence to prove as much, the disgraced physician who wrote the paper has been discredited by every single credible medical professional, and even had his license to practice revoked because of it. He has the blood of thousands of people on his hands for the misinformation he has and continues to perpetuate.

Regardless of this debunked conspiracy theory, even IF it was true (WHICH IT IS NOT) I would rather an autistic son/daughter than a dead one. Vaccines saves lives, period.

Now, that’s not to say they are 100% safe or 100% effective, as with literally everything in nature, you may have an allergic reaction to some ingredients used to store/preserve the vaccine. This kind of thing you should speak to your doctor about, not the internet.

The argument about ‘pro choice’ vs ‘mandatory vaccination’ imo I can go both ways, but lean more towards mandatory (if you want to participate in public systems like school for example). Vaccines are there to create a herd immunity, not just to protect you, but to protect others who cant be vaccinated, or have a lowered immune system due to things like cancer or autoimmune diseases.

I dont think anyone should be forced to do anything, and forcing people will just push them more into conspiratorial thinking, but it’s important to understand what vaccines are, how they work, and what the real dangers are, not what some random person on the internet says they are to drum up fear.

With Covid, I wont be the first in line to have the vaccine, but I will absolutely have it eventually. I think its fair to be sceptical about it considering there is an urgency to develop one, they could fast-track approve a vaccine that works, but has horrible side effects in the long run (think thalidomide)

TL;DR PLEASE do your own research, speak to your doctor or other medical professionals. Don’t get your information from random websites or youtube videos.

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Please watch the video its full of medical people and specialists discussing vaccination pros and cons.
Number 1 is still running, Please dont judge it without watching it.

All the doctors, immunology specialists, high court judges, CDC personal in this video, have no reason to lie, they put their careers on the line to speak out against the government and drug companies and what they see and experience in their practices and labs.

Vaccine damage is real why do they have a vaccine damage fund that had paid out multi millions if there is no damages from vaccination?

What you are saying is you have not seen all the information, how hard have you actually looked into this, hundreds of Afro American kids are made autistic by vaccination, it affects them more than Europeans.

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They have found that only people who have had the measles vaccine, get shingles.

If you have had the measles naturally like I did you don’t get shingles.

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The one guy that did speak out has now been shunned by the entire industry. That says something.

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last time I had a needle stuck in my was about 40 years ago having a tooth out, nowadays I pull out my own teeth I don’t do needles, have never had a course of anti biotics in my life cos I don’t need them my immune system is real good, have always had this thought if I cant get through something I will just die, am now mid 70’s and I know I got die sometimes, think i’m more scared of not bein able vape or ingest cannabis than I am of dying, my kids and grandkids all know the score if i’m not able put it in my food, never give a damn where my body is so long as my mind is in the right place. have never touched any other drug apart from cannabis and no alcohol for over 40 years, is just pure cannabis runs through my veins

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There are more than one, and they are all being persecuted for their findings, that go against the the rhetoric from the drug companies and CDC.

Independent Scientists can no longer look at and test vaccines and give an expert opinion, or make comparison studies along side non vaccinated children and adults, a law was passed by the CDC stopping anyone from testing them, as its explained in the video.

In the first Video they show a CDC DHHS federal register Vol 49 no 107 from June 1 1984 which is a record of a CDC meeting that says.
on Video 1, time 1 hour 21 minutes in.
Any possible doubts whether or not well founded, about the safety of the vaccine (polio) cannot be allowed to exist in view of the need to assure the vaccine will continue to be used to the maximum extent consistent with the nations public health objectives.

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I am the same, the only drug I take is a low dose blood pressure pill, my high blood pressure which was caused by anti inflammatory drugs and pain killers. prior to using them it was very good.

My last vac was at high school, and 1 tetanus shot when I was 19 from a bad glass cut. After that I have refused any vaccination, I used self hypnosis at the dentists for fillings and extractions, they would not allow me to do this here in Canada when we emigrated. My Dentist in the UK was old school he had all the antique instruments in a case on the wall. I think he would have jumped at the chance to use them lol.

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No 8 is running atm for a limited time.

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I just need to take the time and watch the video, it sounds pretty good. Let’s scientist do their jobs, test things and publish the findings. Suppressed and fake science causes lots of issues. This turns news into propaganda.

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Only number one is constantly available, the rest are only 1 to 2 days before the are gone.

Number 8 is really disturbing, there are another 127 vaccines being registered for adult’s in the US as well as children, these will be mandatory for children and if the CDC and drug companies get their way, for adults as well. They have already removed people’s protection in California, even if your doctor says you can’t take the vaccine, because it will kill you, you will have to take it there are no exceptions.

It also has the head advisor for the WHO stating in an advertisement for vaccine safety that they are perfectly safe, as the have strict safety standards for testing.

Then in a closed doors discussion she was filmed talking about how there is no safeguards available with vaccines as they are not tested properly and test results are obscured.

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Follow the money…

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OK anyone wanting to watch any of the 9 vids, they are available today for a short period. I recommend 1, 6 and 9. They show the most damning evidence, of closed door discussions of the 2019 W.H.O. vaccine summit. Where they admit there is hardly any testing done on vaccines, and they dont really know how safe they are, with multiple different adjuvants being used at the same time, with multi vaccinations in one day, for children, as there is so little data and what there is is obscured.

If you think these are safe you are mistaken.

Also 9 shows who all the CDC that are working for bill gates as well as Dr Fauci who is one of the gates foundation top members. He vetoed the antiviral treatment that is now going to be used atm. He is part owner of the covid 19 patent with gates, which is probably why he only wants a vaccine for the covid treatment.

Also shows why they dont have to test vaccines like other drugs, as they re classified them as organic medicine lmao, so they dont have to be tested in double blind studies.

Mr @Vernal at least watch number 9 I would like to hear your thoughts about the vaccine summit discussion behind closed doors footage.

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I feel like perhaps you and I misunderstand one another.

I do not consider your tinfoil sites to be trustworthy sources whatsoever, and I don’t intend to waste my not-valuable time slogging through MORE antivax nonsense. Is it possible some vaccines are unnecessary? I don’t get a flu shot, but I am really glad I’ve never got tetanus or polio or measles or mumps or rubella or diptheria or smallpox, diseases which will FUCKING KILL YOU DEAD. It’s not a game, it’s not a joke, it’s not a “health choice” and frankly I can’t believe actual adults are so easily manipulated. It’s like people refusing to use cars because they think auto manufacturers have a sinister motive. Better analogy, letting foot fungus fester because…idk…who do you guys hate…uh …George Soros…owns a chunk of Tinactin.

I truly do not care if there is traces of mercury, formaldehyde, fetal cells, don’t care. Every single substance has a safe level. The human body needs chorine, but enough will absolutely kill you. You can overdose on iron. People die from drinking too much water. I wouldn’t know where to start the manufacturing process for vaccines so I’m gonna trust the people that do.

95% of all kids in America get vaccines. Seems pretty well tested. Don’t see the diseases they literally fucking cure much these days, except in communities that don’t vaccinate. You wanna not get vaccines? Fine, stay the fuck away from my kids and keep yours away too.

It is interesting you frame yourself as “pro-health” so the reverse must necessarily be anti-health. Which is odd, because I’m actively trying not to die from a stupid curable disease.

When actual, real medical doctors come out and say vaccines are dangerous, I’ll listen. Until then, leave the “research” to professionals. I put research in quotes because I don’t think browsing nutty loony conspiracy blogs and youtube videos is research, it’s just…entertainment at best, dangerous at worst.

It shames me a bit that my community of fellow growers are so prone to paranoid thinking. It’s a very common personality flaw in this hobby, usually characterized by “I have the REAL information THEY don’t want you to know”. None of you know more than people who study these things for a living, please stop acting like it.

If this upsets you, remember, you called me here.

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Smallpox, polio, TB, all virtually wiped out in the West. Not the same in poorer countries, nearly 1.5 million people die every year of TB world wide, 1/2 million of them in India. Vertually none in the UK though. I wonder how many of them poor sods in India who die for no other reason other than being poor are anti Vax and think they’re not safe.
140000 people, mainly kids die from measles every year. Virtually none in the UK though, the ones in the UK who do die from it, have normally moved here from poorer countries or have parents who are anti Vax.

Nothing is completely safe for everyone, add in human error and yes sometimes things will go wrong but the numbers speak for them selves.

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