These people never lived through actual pandemics like smallpox and polio, and also have the luxury of being born in places with strong health care systems, so to them it doesn’t even seem real. Combine that with a near universal application of a substance that is mandatory to attend school and you have the recipe for a conspiracy theory in susceptible individuals. Sadly, the only thing that will chance their mind is if enough anti-vaxxers accumulate to let horrible diseases re-emerge and a bunch of kids die. They want to believe these things. They want to believe they have knowledge others don’t have. They want to look for the sinister motive in everything.
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If they were born 50 years earlier, pre internet. then I’m sure a lot would have been born again Christians . It works of the same script.
"Only we know the secret, the truth, give us your money and we will tell you.
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I can actually make them up on the fly.
Here, watch this:
We don’t chlorinate water to prevent bacterial growth that sicken us, no, the real reason is that chlorine interacts with calcium absorption, forming calcium chloride which effects the frontal lobe of our brains and makes us docile and lethargic. Since we’ve started chlorinating water, cancer diagnoses have gone up hundreds of percent. Autism, Psychotic disorder, depression, all up! I’m just asking the question because unchlorinated natural water is a right! I have a choice! Chlorine gas is poisonous, it reacts with everything but noble gases, even gold! They use it as a caustic agent in pools! It was used as a weapon of war!
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Your preaching to the choir…Im pro-freedom!
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Vernal and Billy are a bit hostile. You follow the narrative so well but hint at others being easy to lead down the other path. Come on man. Just a discussion, no need to get all bent out of shape. The populous in other countries have followed the governments narrative and caused disastrous results. I suppose you believe that the drug companies have nothing to do with the war on Marijuana also.
Edit- Born again Christian here too man. You follow what you want to, and I will follow what I believe.
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Simple question…Do I have a choice??
OK…I choose NO!
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I’m hostile because this is the 2nd dumb conspiracy thread I’ve been tagged in. I’m tired of being quiet when people say dumb shit and promote dangerous propaganda. Wanna believe in Lizard People or that Obama is coming for our guns, feel free. It’s the dangerous, actual child-killing nonsense that I see otherwise reasonable adults espousing that infuriates me. Historically, Christians have always supported antidrug laws in this country, does that mean you can’t be trusted, too?
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In my opinion it is each person choice on what they want to put in their body (it’s called the constitution). Now, if you want to talk about drugs like cocaine, meth, heroine I really don’t want to be involved. Marijuana is a medicinal herb, not a drug. I thought that was the whole premise behind overgrow, or has it changed that much since it went away and came back?
Keep in mind, I’m not the one that dragged you into either thread, nor will I in the future.
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No it doesn’t upset me, it saddens me that you wont even look at a video of the very people you are saying I should get my information from. now that I have you say they are not to be trusted. This is very confusing.
I am sorry you feel you were dragged into this, but you keep posting about tin foil hat wearing anti vaxers, so I feel obliged, being one you describe as that, I wanted to share some information from actual real doctors from nearly every country on the planet at the 2019 world health vaccine summit speaking about vaccines.
If you do not consider all the vaccine specialists from the world health organization and the CDC to be not real doctors, then we are in trouble, because they are the ones mandating vaccine treatments.
I am sorry you think all the top professionals in this field and their research, unprofessional and not real. I could not get any better data than this, I would have thought. I guess you just cant please some people. I will leave you alone, to count the lilly pads in your well, I am sure you can count to 3 
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@Shadey is your problem only with the long list of future vaccines that may one day be forced upon you?
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Are you suggesting the MMR is one of the vaccines we should be avoiding?
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Addendum; that video you posted is, in-fact, anti-vaccine. Putting aside the fact that the first video is 2 hours, and there are 9 videos in all;
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The doctor in the beginning is talking about Hep-B vaccine specifically, and her interview is chopped up and presented here and there as an argument against vaccines as a whole;
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Throughout the rest of the video it’s suggested that vaccines cause autism, and that Wakefield was an honorable man;
I’d finish the video to offer a full and complete criticism, but this gets back to the 9 two-hour videos…
P.S…
I can’t believe the thread talking shit that people who keep snakes are psychopaths was shut down, and this shit is still up. At least that guy had an argument with merit!
To suggest MMR should be avoided out of fear of Shingles is inherently dangerous, and I really hope anyone reading this reconsiders… just look up the fatality rate of each of your options and the symptoms of each. If you conclude that shingles is what you need to worry about…
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Mmr is to be avoided due to the threat of autism. Shingles is related to chickenpox.
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@Badger it’s inherently dangerous to say that, and you literally have no evidence to suggest that autism is related to MMR. I’ll read and or watch whatever evidence you offer, but that argument is literally retarded.
I mentioned shingles in the context of MMR only because
Another Addendum; I do not believe we should shut down this conversation, I just don’t think we should have shut down the snake conversation either.
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This is totally anecdotal, but I had measles as a child before a measles vaccine was available. I also later in life had a case of shingles. Your mileage may vary.
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Keep in mind that badger wasn’t the first to point to the mmr problem. There is all kinds of information out there from people alot smarter than I about that. There isn’t any information out there pointing out that mercury is good for humans though, that I know of.
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Because a million people repeat a lie…its still a lie! Facts don’t care about your feelings you are not God…can you
believe that there are people out there that think they are God. Really? Yes and think when they die the world ends…that’s it! Lunatics
One final thing…
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I paused the, what’s your beef thread because it was flagged by members, and I was asked to shut it down. I paused it for a cool down, I would have left it alone otherwise, it didn’t appear that bad, but was not in the shark tank, which is where Toasty moved it to in case it got out of hand.
Firstly thank you for asking what my concerns are, rather than assuming I want all vaccines banned like most pro vaxers.
Yes my statement about measles and shingles was incorrect, I meant shingles and the chicken pox vaccine. I am a critical thinker, I do do not take any information on board without looking at both sides of a discussion. Over the week end I have asked people who I know who have had shingles whether they had the chicken pox vaccine, and all so far, have. Its easy to check some things for our selves.
I know 10 hours of information is a lot to comb through when you may have a casual interest in vaccinations, but I feel for my health, it is worth the effort for me. My health is everything.
When I decide to buy something even if its only 50$ I will probably spend a day checking different variations and peoples comments on the product, my wife’s car took 2 months of investigation, before we decided which would be bought. So the hundreds of hours, I have spent looking at information from all sides, regarding my health and the drug choices being offered by my doctors, is no problem to me, I feel I am worth it.
If you watched all of these vids you would see that they are not all pro health or anti vax as you call it. They have doctors being interviewed that support vaccinations and give their opinions from what they see in their practices, on how best to use them.
My objections to vaccines are they have not been tested thoroughly, but are becoming mandatory, and there are significant health problems associated with them, that are denied publicly and we are told they are safe, and that safety is based on sound and thorough testing, yet behind closed doors, the discussion is the opposite, with vaccine specialists saying their is little testing and results are unclear because of it.
All drugs except vaccines are double blind tested with placebos, except vaccines, and some vaccines are only tested on minimal amounts of people as low as 800, we are not all alike, thank god, but this doesn’t seem to matter when it comes to testing vaccines, and only small samples of people used as test subjects.
No vaccine has been tested on pregnant women, yet the CDC want them to have mandatory flu vaccinations.
When you look at the FDA laws for toxic substances thimuseral is listed as the second most damaging, non radio active substance on the planet we know of, yet it is used in vaccines at dosages that the FDA would consider criminal if found in food or water.
The same is with the type of aluminum in the adjuvant which is not particularly safe even when ingested, but when injected, it bye passes the gut barrier and goes straight into the blood stream and combined with the Monosodium glutamate as a binder and surfacant passes through the blood brain barrier with the virus into the brain along with the toxic metals in the adjuvant.
Aluminum is a known neuro toxin, and has been linked with dementia and other neurological disorders, the same as mercury, and although they are small quantities, both are accumulative, as they are almost impossible to remove from the brain.
How can we make informed decisions for ourselves and our children when so little testing has been done, and any suggestions that these dangerous toxic substances, being used with multiple vaccinations at the same time in young children, is said to be perfectly safe, even though they are not tested in combination.
No tests have been carried out using multiple vaccinations at a time, with different preservatives and adjuvants all combining in the body. When the CDC representative was asked where the data was to support this being safe, she said, there was none. Then another CDC representative broke the awkward silence saying that it was OK so long as they were injected into different parts of the body and not all in one place. Which I find very disturbing, that as a doctor she thinks that blood doesn’t move around the body and no one seemed to question it.
I think it was said, that the US vaccination damage fund, has paid out over 4 billions in damages, that are paid by the US people as the drug companies are immune from prosecution.
There is also a big conflict in interest within the CDC, they employ the CEOs from the drug companies who hold patents and stocks from their companies, so increasing every year, the amount of compulsory vaccinations is a license to print billions of dollars making them exceedingly wealthy.
Unfortunately the rest of the world tends to follow the US in medical practice, so far they have resisted going down the multiple vac route, apart from the UK, as far as I have seen, as they have seen increasing evidence that it is damaging children, when given in a multiple dose, but as drug companies are international, they are constantly pushing these governments to follow the US example.
Then you have the polio vaccines, using live viruses and spreading more polio, the WHO have reported that the vast majority of strains infecting people on the planet now, comes from the live vaccine strains used. The Bill gates vaccine foundation was used in India to administer his polio vaccine, but after over 50,000 children became paralyzed by his vaccine, they told him to fuck off politely before it was finished. Those are the WHO figures.
People should have a choice whether they vax or not, if the pharmaceutical manufacturing industry is correct, it should not make any difference to herd immunity whether people choose not to vax, as their vaccinated children are safe being vaccinated.
Some one posted above, 7lpdwcaw, that it’s proven there is no link to autism from the MMR vaccine. This is false and misleading, the information, regarding the court case referred to, stated that due to the lack of studies, the decision either way could not be made. The pharmaceutical industry reported it as confirmed no link to autism.In fact a lawyer whose daughter was in a study program, developed autism from the MMR and was awarded damages as her condition deteriorated during the study, its all in the documentaries.
If there is not enough data to determine these problems there should be more testing. That’s expensive and time consuming and the drug companies don’t want to do it, and they don’t care because they are immune to prosecution.
Now we have this covid epidemic, and probably being used to push another rushed vaccine into the population, without even animal testing atm, do you think once it’s in use, they will go back and test it to make sure it’s safe, I don’t think so. They will wait and see what happens to everyone, and if its damaging, doesn’t matter, the tax payer picks up the tab.
We have antibody treatments that dont use as much toxic ingredients because the immune system does not need to be compromised to make it effective like with vaccines. The only reason I can see for them not using this technology that has a 95% success rate with Ebola, is its a on demand, when required therapy, and would drastically reduce the drug companies income.
I am being constantly told to seek advice from the professionals, yet doctors on average only spend 1 afternoon in their 7 years training dealing with vaccinations, and they have little knowledge of the subject, when asked questions by their patients other than what the drug salesman has told them. As said, by a WHO vaccine specialist in the 2019 summit.
I also have a special interest in this, and something I have wondered about during my life. Prior to my MMR vax I was a healthy child, minimal body fat and slightly above average at school with math and English. I had, had the chicken pox, measles and mumps naturally, the MMR vax was mandatory, so I had to have it, even though I didn’t need it, my mum said, that was given on a Friday. The following Tuesday my english teacher was concerned enough to call my parents, to ask if I had had an accident over the weekend and hurt my head thinking I may be concussed, as I was having difficulty spelling and reading now, things that I had previously no trouble with.
Also after the vax, I started to gain weight considerably fast, This was probably a genetic reaction to the vaccine, as when my daughter had the MMR vax the same thing happened to her, she is very like me genetically, compared to her mother.
Drug companies in the US have been fined for lying and providing false information, for over 45 billion dollars. Their CEOs have stated on occasions publicly, that their priorities are to the company, employees and stock holders, not the people suffering from illness and using there products.
The drug companies, CDC and FDA, have lied constantly about Cannabis and its use as well as psychedelics, for 50 years, and even now when its proved otherwise, its is still illegal and professed to have no medical benefit, at a federal level of information and legality.
When people, governments and their sub corporations lie to me constantly, I find it very difficult to believe anything that they say, no matter who they are, or who they represent. Its always buyer beware, do your due diligence, investigate all sides, and make an informed decision, and If you cant do that from lack of data, then dont do anything until you can.
I put these documentaries up, for their unfortunately limited time, so people can see both sides of the argument, any vaccine negative information is now blocked on main stream media platforms. I am just saying they are not as safe as people have been advised to think, with drug company propaganda, their are many respected experts who have doubts like me and want more testing done with the ever increasing amounts being forced on us, currently in the US its 125 by the time you are 20 with science providing safer treatments like anti body therapy, its like using carburettors still in a car instead of fuel injection.
Everyone should have a choice.
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ignore this double posted as I started on my phone and finished on the PC
We’re like 85% on the same page. Vaccines are not all equal, and cannot be treated as such. There’s a similar problem with new medical devices skipping safety testing if they claim to be similar enough to something that has already been approved. Each and every item needs to be looked at individually.
Without stepping in the “Bill Gates is the devil” conversation, that vaccine did cause a ton of harm.
Flu vaccines shouldn’t be mandatory either, they’re not a guarantee.
But before we start conflating them with every other vaccine, have you ever had pertussis? They call it whooping cough, the hundred day cough. Can you imagine if alongside the flu each year we have to worry about a pertussis season on top of it?
Look up infant mortality rates around the globe. Do you trust each and every single person that has a baby to do their proper research into each vaccine available? If we open the gates too much babies start dying unnecessarily. We can say it’s up to people to know in advance, but come the fuck on, not one of us truly believes every person who has a child is going to be fully and correctly informed about which vaccines are safe.
We can’t even get 100% of people to agree that vaccines don’t cause autism.
(also, on a quasi-unrelated note, I was referring to the original snake thread before it got escorted to the What’s ya Beef thread. I only brought it up because I didn’t want this thread being quarantined just because I disagree with the premise.)
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My problem isn’t the vaccines so to say. It’s the timing and the rate that they are given. Why does a day old baby need a hep B vaccine? I love how the vaccines are perfect crowd say if you’re not vaccinated stay away from me and my kids. If those vaccines you rage about actually work then you have nothing to worry about right?
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