Right. Because the pro vaccine crowd isn’t considering Hep B when they hear you arn’t fucking with vaccines, they’re thinking of pertussis and measles and polio.
The problem then, if you’re not anti-vaccines, is you’re not being precise enough with your words. You can’t lump hep b and flu shots with pertussis measles and polio vaccines.
The risk isn’t to those who have been vaccinated, it’s a risk to those who cannot be vaccinated. We need to get vaccinated so a little kid with some crazy disease doesn’t die because we’re afraid of needles.
It isn’t a fear of needless. One seen first hand a child regress and become severely autistic after the MMR vaccine. If the risk isn’t to those that were vaccinated then why do they act so afraid of those that aren’t? Like I said it’s the timing and numbers at a time that cause the problems. Injecting heavy metals into a child without a fully formed blood brain barrier does cause damage. You can’t compare giving an adult something with neurotoxins in it to giving the same to a child. The two and talking method works great to reduce injury but it’s not 100%. Hell the guardasil vaccine has injured and killed thousands of teen girls. If these magic shots work so well then why did they have a huge vaccine strain polio outbreak in India? If they work so great then why is it that the only disease to be wiped out by then was smallpox
Because it was a live virus. What you’re saying here is that you have a problem with this type of vaccine, but that can’t be extrapolated to every other vaccine in existence
I could care less if you believe anything. Good friend of mine son was a normal happy 1 yr old. After his shots he started acting funny, stopped talking and started exhibiting signs of a neurological issue. He was diagnosed with autism within 6 months of the shot and had no signs of any developmental issues. The info is out there on many many children like this. Why else is there a vaccine injury fund since our all knowing and highly bribed govt has made it to where you cannot sue for vaccine injury. Actually look for the data, little hint you won’t find it on govt or drug company pages period.
That’s okay transparency is good, there should be no questions we can’t ask when it comes to how the site is run, or anything else for that matter, and why things are done. I didn’t realize it had been moved when I locked it, as the flag link took me straight to it, toasty must have moved it just before I intervened.
So long as this thread does not become a verbal abuse match and people can voice their opinions in a civil way, it will probably stay up.
I have never had pertussis, I had a what I thought was a chest infection that lasted 4 months, and was coughing my guts up the whole time, not very nice. It may have been pertussis for all I know, the 2 attempts with antibiotics failed miserably.
I agree with you that vaccines work in principal, it’s the unknown side effects, and as the drug companies would have it, just coincidental damages done after a vaccine has been given, that are my concern. Knowing what I do now dealing with government compensation sub corporations, I would have my child thoroughly examined and tested to confirm they were not suffering from any type of problem just prior to any vaccination, so I would have documented proof.
Unfortunately that is impossible as vaccinations are given to babies before they are more than a couple of hours old, as you have already signed a general consent form, allowing the hospital to do it. The only way around that, is home births without midwives, but they will be banging on your door the next day to do it, when you register the birth…
As 7pldwcaw said, he would rather have an autistic child than a dead one. I don’t understand why we should have to play Russian roulette with our children’s health, I would prefer neither.
It’s why we have safety standards on all things it seems except vaccines, they don’t follow the normal drug safety standards for testing. A double blind study, without which effectiveness cant be checked. If the public have to provide documented proof of harm, they should have to provide documented proof of effectiveness and safety in my opinion, it should be a 2 way street.
If I buy a car and and the brakes fail and this happens with a lot of the same models, a government watchdog looks into it and it gets a call back.
The CDC is that watch dog that is supposed to report to Congress, vaccine effectiveness every year for the last 40 years, but have not done so once. Not one little concern, its no longer independent from the companies they are supposed to be checking on because those same ex company executives are running the CDC.
When lead piping became a known problem to health it was removed and replaced with a safer alternative.
The pipe making industry had to do it because no one would bye lead pipe anymore. With the drug companies having no financial loss from old technology drugs, there is no drive to change and make them safer or more effective, because they will lose a lot of money.
It’s only financial competition that drives change, in any industry, if a competitor makes a better safer product people will buy that product more.
There is not enough data to even say that Phizer makes a safer product than Merk, so we could at least ask for the safest vaccine makers products. That would push them to keep improving, but we just have to take what ever is offered, no questions asked.
We have to trust them to tell the truth, but the records show that we can’t, as they put profit over safety.
They demonstrate this all the time, A US drug company, cant remember which off the top of my head, but can be googled easily if you want to check was caught knowingly selling HIV contaminated blood plasma in the US. They just got a slap on the wrist and a fine no prison sentences for technical murder, they then sold it to 3rd world countries instead of destroying it. I dont want these people making me use their products, whether I want to or not, when they show they have no morality when it comes to making money.
Once you start looking at their records in depth, and you will have to spend time searching, because as mentioned in the Wikipedia, the FDA runs a cover up for the CDC, keeping things from the public eye as all media platforms are doing with Vaccines, if they are safe why cant we question them for the data to back it up. This is the whole crux of the problem no transparency or financially independent authority, and no accountability in regards to vaccines.
Would you choose to eat in a restaurant where people are constantly getting food poisoning and found to be ignoring safety guidelines, no, you would go elsewhere, but you cant do that with vaccines. If you were 7pldcaw you would probably say its better to have the shits for 2 weeks, than dying.
I just tried to google, CDC advisors who hold vaccine patents and stocks. The first link I tried, the whole screen went red, and a Microsoft announcement came up that I was being hacked and and the screen froze, and had to do a hard shut down on my PC.
Something else that was talked about in the vid documentaries, Microsoft as well as facebook, twitter and the others are blocking any attempts to show negative information regarding vaccines. I have kaspersky internet security, I just checked the incident log, no attempts to hack my firewall. That is very intriguing I will see what happens if I choose another link.
Then explain why the medical Drs told him that autism does not come on that fast. You are correct that’s when the signs start, not go from a normally developing child to a non verbal kid that bangs his head into walls and shit and gave them the info on the vaccine injury fund?
Look up guardasil injuries, that one is rather troubling, teen girls go from outgoing cheerleaders to bed ridden vegetables, but that’s not because of the vaccine, merely a coincidence because muh gubment and the vaccine manufacturers said so.
There is a psychology that goes with this. Child gets vaccinated, as they almost all do, and later has developmental issues, as children so often do. The parent cannot conceive that there was something wrong with their child, it has to be outside sinister forces. They need someone to blame. My child has autism so there must be a cause other than crap genetics. People refuse to believe they don’t have good genes. Everyone has this pathological need to believe they are healthy prime specimens.
A couple posts back OP was saying he got fat in childhood and it has to be the vaccine’s fault. I am a former chubby kid, too. I am a naturally large framed person and I got fat from eating too goddamn much, not from my MMR vaccine that kept me from dying from something curable. He then says his daughter also started gaining weight, surely I don’t have genes that contribute to that and surely there’s no way a kid could eat too much and not move enough.
When the medical establishment flat out said the kid was injured by the vaccine they were wrong according to you lol ok you’re a piece of work " we must listen to doctors" doctor said vaccine injured my child you " that’s impossible vaccines don’t injure".
You are telling me 100% that a licensed medical doctor, to your face, told you, that the child in your family with autism they diagnosed, was caused by MMR vaccine? Other possibilities were unlikely, had to be the vaccine?
Not my child, good friends kid and yes their doctor is the one that told them that was the only logical explanation for a normally developing child to go to the extreme on the autism spectrum in 6 months
It’s not often I’d say this but…I don’t believe you. I believe maybe you believe that.
Autism starts to manifest between 12-18 months depending on the kid and severity…it often is diagnosed as late as 3-4…sounds like normal development of autism to me.
I’m not against vaccines, what I am against is the government and drug companies that profit off of them saying that any injury after a vaccine is just coincidence. The timing and rate they give them is also a problem. A day old baby dies not need a hep B vaccine. My own daughter had bad reactions to her first shots, we stopped them until she was 3 and only gave one at a time after that, wow no more reactions.
Yet when a doctor says something that you don’t think it’s right because the government is always right you say they’re wrong lol looks like your not job here