Thanks for the close up shot. She’s looking good! I have gotten really good at micro sexing ( yeah I made that term up). State laws led me to grow smaller plants, which meant they were planted at a smaller size in the spring. I didn’t want to plant males, so i had to learn to spot them early. Keeping mother’s happy is a whole other skill I’ll have to develope. Never did grow many clones, but they certainly have their advantages!
Sounds like yr system was fine tuned! Like a conveyer belt…
Sure I have pics from the real Santa Maria’s !
But or I can post them is the question since I’m still fighting with my computer.
If it’s not working… you can see them on my Facebook page. ( “Cees Hendriks” )
The one in front is a Santa Maria F5.
Stay cool, SpeesCees
THE ONLY REAL STORY OF THE SANTA MARIA.
( February 2020 By SpeesCees )
And then: By accident, I did find out why I’m a fool sometimes! On a Dutch forum that I did start, and fast left, because my “partner” did show me already soon that his attentions were not then he told me. He just did need someone to become fast people on that forum, and he did like some…F8 Santa Maria !
Oké, at least you’re someone who does understand something about breeding and cultivating.
Otherwise, I guess that it will bring you nothing to read this.
I think that serious breeders / cultivators are the only ones who don’t make serious money.
Some people start to make me out like a money wolf and they even use real bad names on me.
Just… because I want a good price for F8 Santa’s.
They start to ask prices, so I send them a price list.
But then… it seems fast that they’re only interested in the F8 Santa’s !
And then… after I wrote them what the F8 will cost…. I’m the biggest idiot in the world and they gave me names I never hearth of.
The fools don’t understand that when they should be serious with me, that I can help them to come easy to a point they want.
But ones they do give me words and make me out for … pfffff, they even can’t become them for the highest price possible.
My pride is something they can’t take away from me.
Ok,… back to You and The Santa Maria’s.
Well, Planck was born just after I did save (you may call it to rescue ) the Santa’s thanX to Bernt Gundersen who did bring them to me in the form of 7 clones.
He was standing at 3 o’clock in the night on my door because he did not have a place to set them out in good pots under a good lamp.
They were stolen by Bernt, to be honest. ( Bernt was the head redactor of HighLife magazine.) Bernt did take 1.5 years to win their trust, and after a lot of visiting this Brazilian sect, they did show him their grow room and clone room.
Bernt did wear such an old big military jack with big pockets. So, the 7 clones landed in his pockets because he did know that it possible the only chance he would become to have those genetics.
This because he did know already that they did not have any seed of Santa Maria’s.
So they were going only on clones and didn’t know how to act to become pure, genetically 100% Santa Maria seed, since the guy who did bring them in, was not there anymore.
The story of some seedbanks and some idiots, that the Santa Maria should come forward out of a Brazilian strain, is bullshit.
People here in The Netherlands did think, a Brazilian sect, Brazilian name, some crazy people who did like to give the Santa’s their own name called Planck, ( They did make a big story out of it in the media ) and that the Santa’s did have a history in Brasilia!
No no no…. that’s a story they did makeup because the strain did need a name and a founder of that strain.
My investigation did bring me to California where the Santa’s for 90% sure did come from.
By now I don’t see much movement any more with the name Planck. Too much people did see already that this Planck was exactly like a Santa Maria. And they only could have found them by me.
In the beginning, this was not easy for me cause stolen…… is stolen ! Well, to be honest, right now it’s even not an serious item for me anymore.
They were going hard and fast over the human line as we all know. DON’T MISUSE WOMEN AND/OR CHILDREN !
They were doing crazy things with the women and children at the weekends when they had these spiritual happenings in the “Brazilian church” they did run. Well, women and children were sexually misused in a heavy way. The men who did play guilty did become a serious jail punishment.
After that…. I did not have any mercy for them and my frustration that they were stolen was gone !
The first I did anyway was manipulating 1 of them with gibberellic acid and that manipulated Santa did pollinate 3 of her sisters.
That did bring me like 430 pure female Santa Maria seeds.
And with that lot 100% female pure XX seeds of the mother herself ( I did keep the seeds from the mother I did manipulate, and who did also pollinate herself, apart ) It was easy to start the process of 8 times back to the mother to become her genetically 100% pure in seed. I also did start a line with an inbred strain from a Mexican haze X Silver Pearl. They were inbred to F3 if I’m well. So that did bring Santa Maria X Mexican Haze # Silver Pearl. The # is standing for inbred. But a lot of people don’t understand that cultivators sign. In the end…. That line was used for other things than bringing back the pure Santa Maria’s.
In this one, with clean XX Santa Maria seeds as they came from the founders, I did not need to keep clones of the mother alive for 5-6 –7 years on two places to spread the risk. When I did need the mother for the next step, I just did have to germinate a few of these female seeds and picking out the best looking one from the start.
Oké… ones I was on the point of the F6… a big surprise was waiting. In science, they learn that F6 is back to pure again. Surprise… Cannabis doesn’t have rules made by people. Cannabis should be inbred to F8 to be genetically clean again. For that wisdom, I stick my hands in a fire if I’m wrong. A funny but very nice thing that did show up was that I discovered that first with the F6 generation they did start to give serious Phenotypes. So, the F8 generation is coming forward out of inbreeding but also by a no mercy way to select the wonderful Phenol’s to move on. And that was a very well move with great thanks to mother nature. ( I will send you a photo of little Santa Maria plants during the bringing up period. Just to show you how they are similar to each other ) So, shortly it’s like : The F8 Santa’s are coming forward out of just Pheno’s. And that’s a pleasure to see if they are growing up and flowering like there’s an extra motor in them. With no special tactics but pure natural.
And then: By accident, I did find out why I’m a fool sometimes! On a forum that I did start and fast left because my “partner” did show me already soon that his attentions were not then he told me. He just did need someone to become fast people on that forum, and he did like some…F8 Santa Maria !
We did have a contest on that forum with a nice prize for the winner. The question was easy: Who can find the most strains with Santa Maria genetics in that strain !? Man…. I almost went crazy! One guy already did find almost 250 strains with Santa in it !
And then…… I did wake up ! So… no more Santa Maria for the hobby growers or just the F3. This damned seedbanks did use some “hobby growers “ to order the Santa’s for hobby prices from me.
I will publish the list of strains with Santa’s in their genetics in the very near future. Did you know that the first successful auto flower was the Lowrider1 that did come out a Ruderalis X Santa Maria F8 !
The Lowrider2 was again a Lowrider1 X Santa Maria F8. They even use text and photos from my website. By now, believe me, at least 70% of all auto flowers do have Santa Maria in their genes.
The problem is that I’m still the flower power freak and I’m going at first with the mind full of trust. Well,… the seed banks and commercial breeders don’t know any mercy. It’s all just for the money. Even if they have to kill nice strains with good genetics.
Crossings with Ruderalis seems to me like a crime ! And the feminized seed is created by the use of that toxin silver water,
(Colloinaal water), and that’s not a plant own stuff like gibberellic is. The third feminized generation is bringing already weaker plants. Some seed banks do have already feminized seed in the bank as back up for the strain. In time… when I’m dead already they will remember my words as I told them already for over 25 years.
*I wrote this so detailed like it’s now, to have the Santa story straight on paper for myself.
Excuse me for my poor English.
Cees / SpeesCees
You’re not going to find there the REAL Santa Maria’s George !
They were trying hard ( Leafly ) to bring me in their “seedsellingwholemarketonlineshop” with the Santa Maria.
But I did do some checking work and wowww… They are seriously only thinking about money.
Not my thing, even by the fact that they are not interested in the genetics, it’s not my way of “working”.
I will hopefully find a way with Joe to bring some of the latest REAL Santa Maria seeds to members of Overgrow.com, as well one 100 ml. bottle of the Gibberellic Acid Spray in the exact dose to create 100% FEMALE seeds.( so NOT Feminized !)
SpeesCees
Thanks for the info, it would be great if you find the way to spread those seeds around, these names are a reminiscence of when we Spaniards were conquering those lands.
Hope those strains will never perish, any effort for preserving them is laudable … 
I used to, and soon will return to S.O.G…= SEA OF GREEN. -IT IS A FINE TUNED WEED MACHINE. With this method I was getting 26 harvest a year… You can pick the harvest#, just tune the machine to the # you want. You can harvest every day or every week or every other week( my favorite choice cause I am lazy) or every month. It’s up to you to chose. It takes TWO weeks to get clones ready to plant. TWO weeks to get those clones planted to get big enough to pull clones. Then giving 8 weeks to flower(4 × 2) . I was doing 12 plants every TWO weeks. I pruned them to grow only the tops( 1 big Kola bud) in a rubber made tote. 6 plants in each tote.ina 5" coco cup. 8 totes total. Every two weeks I pulled out 12 matured plants and put 12 plants in to flip 12/12. At first start up you only feed the machine first with getting plant big enough to pull clones. Once you’ve pulled clones veg, then start filling flower room. First 2, then next 2, then 3rd 2 , 4th 2. Then on the 5th set of 2 week, well the fist 2 are ready to come out giving room for 5th. Etc etc etc. SEA OF GREEN . A perpetual harvest machine. Totally adjustable by user. I used a mother for first two sets of cloning. After that I pulled clones from the trimmings off the clones after two weeks of vegging. Mother was not needed any more after 2 clone pulls. The clones supplied the clones. I HEAR that clones get weaker after awhile . I pulled clones for 8 years off same plants…not a mother clones from clones. The last clone was just as good as the first clone so I don’t know how much longer it takes too weaking a plant than that. I say bullshit. Clone away. If you find a keeper. I know I will. But imma still going to collect seeds
They look the same to me.
Some more of my thoughts @SpeesCees. If @StevieG and @DiggySoze say they won your Santa Maria planck seeds here , I don’t see why they would lie being they did not sell me the seeds, I’m not going to sell any seeds. Where is the profit. No need to lie. Just trying to preserve the strain. If what you say about these plants aren’t being Santa Maria planck, then that leaves me and you brother. Either you sent seeds out to winners of the contest that weren’t S.m. or that I growing something else. And I would have to think YOU fucked the winners by sending diff sends. Cause if your calling me a lier buddy. I’ll give you my address and you can come here and get your ass whooped . put your money where your mouth is. Send Santa Maria seeds or go troll somewhere else. Or face time with me!!
With respect your name was tagged at beginning of seed run! What more do you want? Maybe $$$. Free seeds from a run are a bitch to greedy breeders
Oh cool, I have to run to the store and come back to eat, but then I’ll come back to read the story. Thanks for all of the info. peace
Great story about the plank. It sure is a neat strain. With due respect@ SpeeCees the seedlings look like the pictures you posted. What in the pictures are you seeing that says they are something else? There are many things that can happen when chucking pollen. Certainly accidental pollenations happen. @ Bubbleking, I don’t see him calling anyone a liar. Only that he believes the plants are not Planck.@SpeesCees can you show us with pictures these differences you are seeing? These plants should hum right along so we will all know soon enough. The #9 sexed right on time I must say.
He’s calling somebody a lier! I’m just calling him out. Just to think what an honor it would be to chat with @SpeesCees. Not anymore! How does this sound
BONGHOLIO SEEDS. SEEDS FOR SALE… #1 STRAIN … BONGHOLIO’S SANTA MARIA
For the record I think @SpeesCees only said the pic that @SamwellBB shared does not show Santa Maria and that @George won’t find Santa Maria at Leafly.
I do not see any comment regarding what @TheBubbleKing is actually growing.
WHAT is happening here ?
I need to read it ones again from the beginning, but what I read to this point is that emotions seem to take over ?! To start, Santa Maria is ONE clean strain and that silly Planck is just another variation from all who did breeding Santa’s just to sell the seeds. Mostly, like with Planck, they give them another name. But hé… there are like 240-250 “strains” where the Santa Maria genetics are to find ! Like 80% of the auto flowers do carry Santa Maria genetics. ( try seedfinder and/or autoflowers )
And a lot of crossings with a name that sounds good. The never showed up Planck breeder who should have create and cultivated Planck, the so called “founder” of Planck, did NEVER give any sign of life or did not give any answers on questions ! I wonder or somebody knows him/her in real life. You know why ? They did have $ signs in their eyes but didn’t step forwards when the questions did show up. At one point there were 3 breeders who did claim to be the Planck founder !?
Because it makes me curious I’m going to dive into some old stuff to find out what strain or strains I did send to the winners of the contest. I even think that they could make a choice of the strain by their selves…!? Or maybe Joe ( the moderator) still knows how that was going.
The photo from TheBubbleKing his little plant is a mysterious thing. We all know that it’s very hard to see on young plants what kind of strain it is. At least… it’s difficult for me, even after 50 years looking to this plants !
But… if I see that photo, I see something that Santa’s don’t form if there’s no disorder for the overall situation. And a voice deep inside of me says: that’s a crossing. ( oeiiii…now I’m the F.ck.r )
How that ? Because if I see the biggest under leaves of Bubble his photo, they are that round that I would not be pointing to a clean Santa Maria.
But,…in fact, it should be a few pics to have a good look that brings me to better or trustful conclusion(s).
What I don’t understand is WHY he’s calling me a lier !? For what I need to lie ? To promote the Santa Maria ? There’s no need for that, the Santa’s are known…WORLDWIDE ! Especially by the seedbanks and their seed growers. And please don’t forget that over the years quite some Santa Maria seeds are being sold, also to the States. Out of that, I did find out that the name SpeesCees is strongly bonded to the name Santa Maria. Well… that’s how it is in reality, and that is the present after all that work !
And BubbleKing is giving some extra attention to it ! My skin did become harder and stronger by the years, I’m trying to see things more from the sunny side and my Cannabis life did become a lot more space that takes care of: no more unnatural stress ! . One extra note is: From the 10 winners of that contest… only 1 did do something with it what he also did post here. The rest… they stay under the table and didn’t give any response about the quality of that free seed. Some of the others only wrote things like: some of mines were crushed ! Only ONE of the 10 did post that he/she did become even some extra seeds in their packet. So, I think seriously that they didn’t really share their seed. ( As they were screaming around )
All to all… Bubble, what’s going on ? What’s the real point here ? That’s what I cant find out after reading 3 times the upper messages >?
It’s all good brother. I think it’s just a small problem with translation. I think you cleared it up with this post. Let’s give it some time and see what the plants look like. I’m sure they’ll be the same seeds and it’s cool that they are finally being grown out. I’m sorry to hear that the other 9 never bothered to do anything with the free seeds you gave.
I’m hoping all is good. I think the plant you worked looks and sounds great, and I hope we all get to experience that plant. Your pics sure look nice.
How long ago was that giveaway? I have to admit the small seedling now, does look the same as the 200 seedings in the other pic.
Keeping my fingers crossed! Best vibes on the veg @TheBubbleKing and thank you @SpeesCees for stopping by to add some story to the grow. Hope you stick around to see it out. peace
What I read here is one big bull story. That’s not a Santa Maria at all !
If that’s a Santa Maria then I’m the Christmas man
My eyes got blury and crossed when I read that
May be a misunderstanding but not a good way to start a post on my run.
I wanted to chat with you a bit before that idk anymore
THAT… is not possible AT ALL !
Sam… if you’re telling here that bullshit, you could expect strange reactions !
Old Dutch Genetics with F8 Santa Maria’s !?
SHAME ON YOU !
Do you really think that they did buy or become F8 Santa’s ?
NOT A CHANCE… even not by another way because they don’t exist that long !
And then… who can say that they EVER did buy F8 Santa Maria’s from me ?
If so… then you’re a liar !
And most what you read from the Santa Maria is not correct and beside the reality.
That I came to the F8 is a small wonder, but I could do it easy because of the fact that I could make FEMALE seed with one of the original 6 Santa Maria clones.( one clone did not make it ) So… no more mother plant was needed. And that’s working perfect as a cultivator will understand directly.
No room needed for mother plants, no space needed to clone ! That’s like a great present for a breeder.
Each generation did only need one seed to cultivate further.
Sam… hahahaa… if that photo does show a clean Santa Maria F8, then I eat my shoes !
I know exactly who did become or buy a few F8 Santa Maria’s ! Well… that’s happened in the last 2 years !
So it’s just NOT POSSIBLE Samwell !
This happens from time to time on here with it being a worldwide forum things get misinterpreted or lost in translation
What seeds did you give away on the Spee Cees seed giveaway here on O.G.?
It was winners choice. I chose the No Mercy Specials.
