Seed Runs Co-Op Logistics/Cost/OT Discussion Megathread

[MomOnTheRun]

@allotment

I think we should do the poll again in the private lounge to avoid having all the multi accounts of One Pip Peter voting.

Idk I had been following it… trust level 3 has been in the lead from the get go with only 98 current members that choice “should” have lost…trust level 2 hasn’t been far behind and has 646 members…trust level 1 has stayed at the bottom and has 1866 members so “should” have won by a landslide if that were the case - knowing these member numbers show we needed this poll to be open to everyone that ran across it.

I was personally going for Level 2 and @Sebring was going for Level 1 though level 3 won out

@MichiGreen

Honey, I can’t play with the kids, I have to get online and participate at Overgrow so I can get some free seeds…". Ugh…

and this comes to mind as well

@Pedro_Bann

Joe can easily change the setting for regular so that once you acheive regular status that you stay as one.

True

So we’ll have @LemonadeJoe change the trust Level 3 from time based to a forever badge and go with this per the poll

[MichiGreen]

@MomOnTheRun

So we’ll have @LemonadeJoe change the trust Level 3 from time based to a forever badge and go with this per the poll

Awesome compromise!!
You’re really good at doing this stuff @MomOnTheRun

[allotment]

@MomOnTheRun

trust level 3 has been in the lead from the get go with only 98 current members that choice “should” have lost…trust level 2 hasn’t been far behind and has 646 members…trust level 1 has stayed at the bottom and has 1866 members so “should” have won by a landslide if that were the case

Good point. And I wasn’t aware Level 3 is such an elitist little circle compared to the whole numbers. I guess I spend too much time here then being part of it. Thanks for explaining the numbers and setting up the poll!

@Hashtree

I voted level 2 myself. I don’t think a person needs to be an old timer to be a part. Just not a hit and run taker. Plus I wonder if a regular was to take a subatical or go to the hospital as has happened, they would drop off the list. To me that doesn’t seem in the spirit of what many are trying to do here.

I understand, and I brought that up before and Joe said that could be changed. The other things are not too hard to reach in my opinion, but they are annoying if you just want to gamble the system to get in That was my thinking behind voting for level 3. If people prefer to have the entrance level lower that’s fine of course.

[Heritagefarms]

Its seems like making the regular member badge permanent would make it hard to tell who is realy still a regular and who isent. The rest of the requirements will be met my most people over time and the regular list will grow. maybe make trust level 2 preservation runs and trust level 3 runs depending on the strain and how the donor feels and how many beans are expected. I dont know but I’m glad I dont have to decide.

[MomOnTheRun]

@allotment

Good point. And I wasn’t aware Level 3 is such an elitist little circle compared to the whole numbers. I guess I spend too much time here then being part of it. Thanks for explaining the numbers and setting up the poll!

It is though it isn’t as those numbers are forum wide. Now being curious I pulled up the numbers for our preservation threads of every member that has participated in the last year and color coded them by their current level…

US - 119 Members … 44 Level 3, 63 level 2, 12 level 1’s
Canada - 36 Members…13 level 3, 22 level 2, 1 level 1
UK - 19 Members… 7 level 3, 12 level 2
Latin America - 5 Members… 2 level 3, 3 level 2
S Africa - 3 Members…1 level 3, 2 level 2
Australia - 4 Members…3 level 3, 1 level 2

Now compare to forum wide numbers we have 70 of the 98 level 3’s participating in these runs, 103 of the 646 level 2’s and 12 of the 1866 level 1’s …all in all only a few level 1’s were included and that may have been my fault mostly coming from the US. So then I went over the seed donators - all level 3’s and the growers - mostly level 3’s with a couple level 2’s so some area’s will be drastically reduced, it may be helpful to eliminate the stash and dasher’s we have seen come and go

@allotment

The other things are not too hard to reach in my opinion, but they are annoying if you just want to gamble the system to get in That was my thinking behind voting for level 3. If people prefer to have the entrance level lower that’s fine of course.

Whelp, if we don’t stick by the poll then what was the use of it? It’ll be tougher though not impossible to achieve

@Heritagefarms

Its seems like making the regular member badge permanent would make it hard to tell who is realy still a regular and who isent.

Whelp, we pretty much know who the regulars are as they are on here like all the time When in doubt click on their name and it’ll show you their status like so…

@Heritagefarms

The rest of the requirements will be met my most people over time and the regular list will grow.

Right just a bit slower as some of the 1800 new members and 1866 level 1 members become level 2 and 3’s

[LemonadeJoe]

@MomOnTheRun

So we’ll have @LemonadeJoe change the trust Level 3 from time based to a forever badge and go with this per the poll

That is definitely doable… Just FYI When reaching trust level 3 becomes permanent don’t forget that also access to #private-lounge and other privileges associated with tl3 will be permanent…

@Heritagefarms

Its seems like making the regular member badge permanent would make it hard to tell who is realy still a regular and who isent.

That is the downside… Currently only really active core members have tl3 and access to #private-lounge. But you can click user’s profile to see when he has logged in or posted last time…

[Northern_Loki]

TL2 is probably a good compromise as the bulk of the on-going and contributing members will gain that status. I’d consider trying that first and see how it goes in terms of response, time/effort, and expense required; which I’d assume is part of the reason for this discussion.

Also, there’s nothing saying that you couldn’t expand a run into TL1 or conversely limit it to TL3 for specific circumstances.

Or, perhaps tiering it such that availability expands depending on the overall/on-going demand. Open at TL3, then TL2, then TL1 depending on whether you hit a quota.

Or even something like, first-come-first-serve across the trust-levels: x20 TL1, x40 TL2, x40 TL3+.

Bulk changing the overall OG TL requirements in order to suit seed runs seems to me the wrong way to go about that. While the runs have become an integral and important piece of OG (un-ending kudos to the work and efforts to all those involved by the way), changing TL could have further reaching impact on the overall dynamic of OG and, as a consequence, it would tie how TLs are managed to the seed-runs.

[DiggySoze]

voted TL2 as well, and thinkin along the lines with @Northern_Loki that we might be jumping the gun a little by changing the way the trust levels work.

[Leaf]

Awesome thank you for your time and information setting this all up.

Cool to see the stats on members!

All out of likes… but I am curious…how do I tell what trust level I am at??? Thank you!

[Northern_Loki]

@Leaf

how do I tell what trust level I am at???

If you click on your name in a post, you’ll see a badge that indicates basic, member, regular, leader, etc…

A new member is TL0.
“basic” is TL1.
“member” is TL2.
“regular” is TL3.

and so forth…

The number of folk at each higher level decreases as the TL increases, in general.

[Leaf]

Okay great. Thank you for the info northern Loki!

I couldn’t figure it out ! Was trying for days lol. Must smoke too much .

[LemonadeJoe]

@Leaf

but I am curious…how do I tell what trust level I am at??? Thank you!

Also there are group lists:

https://overgrow.com/groups/trust_level_0
https://overgrow.com/groups/trust_level_1
https://overgrow.com/groups/trust_level_2
https://overgrow.com/groups/trust_level_3

[StillSmoking]

Maybe add a tier 4 for that, that would be the old tier 3?

[Craigson15]

My observation is that maybe people didnt quite realize what tier 3 was exactly whenvoting.(even though it was spelled out)
I say this because if limited to tier 3 then even people like you @MomOnTheRun arent even eligible.

[allotment]

@MomOnTheRun

Whelp, if we don’t stick by the poll then what was the use of it? It’ll be tougher though not impossible to achieve

Oh, I think I got it wrong. When I looked, the poll was in favour of level 2, I thought that won.

@Craigson15

I say this because if limited to tier 3 then even people like you @MomOnTheRun arent even eligible.

What do you mean? MOTR is level 4.

[crazaer]

@Craigson15

I say this because if limited to tier 3 then even people like you @MomOnTheRun arent even eligible.

Leader is above Regular.

Quite a bit above, if you look at the requirements.

[allotment]

I think not to mess up the levels just for seed runs is a good point, so is regulars should actually be regulars (ie. active).

I think we could

• have a badge that is given once “regular” status is given for the first time and is not revoked (unless as punishment for DDoS script kiddies)
• base access to seed runs on that badge
• maybe have another way to include newer members in seed runs
• leave regular status as it is (ie. it is lost if you are not active any longer)

[Leaf]

What’s wrong with level 2 though?

Just seems kinda odd when I look at the level 3 group and see someone who I know for a fact joined after me in there and I am still a level 2 lol. Guess I just prefer to read more than I post… still have grow journals and post every now and then.

Either way; I remember being a young punk Learning how to grow from overgrow in the early 2000’s. I joined overgrow again, not for free seeds. But rather the passion and information about growing this beautiful cannabis plant. In fact, I never even knew about these seed runs or of free seeds. LOL

Knowledge is great. Not too mention the great people here doing such kind things. Thanks everybody!

Peace & love

[allotment]

@Leaf

What’s wrong with level 2 though?

Nothing. More people voted for level 3 though.

@Leaf

In fact, I never even knew about these seed runs or of free seeds. LOL

Same for me, I came here for information and only found the seed runs after weeks.

[Leaf]

All out of likes lol.

Oh okay, was just referring back to where you said you thought level 2 was top vote. Yes I understand and do not have a problem with that that’s what polls are for