Great way of putting that, I see it the same way, I am here having the time of my life, and refuse to let a few petty scammers live rent free in my head. I think that’s the thing I don’t like about this “enhanced trust levels” discussion, it’s the way it reinforces scarcity and fear in a way that doesn’t do much to help, instead of using wisdom and community to navigate a world we can’t control more intelligently
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I am not sure of this but I think there was some others involved in those auctions too.
But that is not for me to say as I do not know all of the details.
Why do I repeat it so much you ask?
Well everytime I do someone tells me to keep my opinion to my self.
They do not want to let those ideas be heard.
And if you notice I usually am defending someone else’ position on this topic, such as those who started the thread but can not deal with all the childish drama that come with speaking your mind.
Maybe we should look at those that come into the thread just to cause drama.
Why do they always feel the need to tell us how we need to feel about this subject.
Like they are compelled to silence our voice on this topic.
We really need to stop acting like I am the only one that feels this way.
It is very evident this is far from the truth.
The truth is I am the only one willing to stand in the storm and brave the hail of personal insults that come with speaking out.
For instance, this is not even my thread, I did not start it.
You say the subject keeps coming up…
To me that indicates an unsolved problem.
But we are not allowed to speak our mind without personal attacks.
Why?
Why are personal attacks even allowed here?
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BTW
The suggested solution to the problem of scammers is to ignore it.
I feel this is a mistake.
But
I am only 1 man calling out in the wilderness.
What is your suggested solution
I for one have never told you to keep your opinions to yourself man. But the fact is, I have heard it repeatedly so I know where you stand. People telling you to keep those opinions to yourself has not stopped you from providing them so it’s really a non issue. Their opinion is for you to keep yours to yourself, yours is to speak your mind. Well, you got to speak your mind so there is no real issue there IMO.
Come on bud, isn’t that exactly what you are doing? Them not feeling the same way and wanting to stop hearing about it is perfectly fine just as you stating your mind is perfectly fine. But when it just goes in circles over and over it becomes pointless.
You speak of all the others that feel the same as you but it’s only your voice being heard. I submit that if others have strong opinions they need to make them known using their own voice. If they don’t want to deal with the drama as you call it than it is apparently not important enough of a topic to them.
That is true but you are the most frequent poster in it. Going by the post counts, the OP is only 4 posts behind you so clearly has no issues speaking their mind.
Well, they should not be but there is a course of action in place meant to deal with such things. Flag posts with personal attacks and they will be dealt with appropriatly.
I don’t wish to argue with you @shag and can see you are very passionate about this subject which is cool. I just wanted to point out where some of the friction might be coming from as I am on the outside of this conversation looking in so I provide a different perspective. Is mine right and yours wrong, not at all. Just perhaps different which is totally cool. We have just carried on a conversation with no attacks in either direction. I respect your passion and your opinion. I don’t necessarily have to agree with all you say to have that respect. You are totally entitled to your opinions the same as me or anyone else. Anyway, it’s dinner time. Have a great night bud. 
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Is it possible to vet new accounts? Iv joined plenty of forums where I had to await moderator/admin approval.
The thing for some is the ease of returning with another screen name. These bad apples already know the easy pickings, are educated on how things work. What’s stopping them from just continuing on?
The Hugh Glass, Eagles hits were significantly larger than a couple hundred bucks. Breeder was out better than 3 thousand beans iirc. That’s significant.
Nobody in the apparent minority group here wants to take away from the way many hand out beans as gifts on the daily. But they also have concerns that deserve consideration. I speak for myself when I’d like to see a bit more security… but bet there’s a few that would agree.
Can we discuss what CAN be done, even if it only ends with a slight improvement. That’s progress… and would probably appease some of the concerns.
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Ok, I agree fair enough
I bet they would if folks did not come into the thread and tell them to shut the hell up we don’t need your thoughts round here, things are great the way they are.
It is obvious @Upstate does not think things are fine the way they are but if he said that he would be told that they are and to shut up.
I don’t flag posts ever, I handle my own issues.
It is the way of the streets, I have also never called the cops on a problematic neighbor either so you can see where I stand.
@DougDawson
You make a lot of valid points and I do not discount them.
But I also feel those that feel the same as I do are being treated fairly.
They are told they are an embarrassment to the community.
As you can probably tell, I am good with who I am and I don’t give a rats ass what some others think and say about me.
I know who I am and I like me. 
Now good quality people may change my mind with logic.
But I will not be silenced because someone does not like what I am saying.
To be clear here…
What I am saying is simply a trade based trust level would be helpful to discern who is trustworthy and who is not.
I can not see how any logical person could be sooo against such things.
I really can not believe I have gotten soo much hate over saying this.
What the hell can that harm.
Why are folks against something that shows you can be trusted.
Why is there any opposition to this idea at all.
But folks are here throwing rocks, because we dare ask for something that indicates if a person can be trusted or not.
I guess I do not understand the opposing point of view.
And thank you kindly @DougDawson for the rational explanation and also for the adult conversation.
I am perfectly fine with those that disagree with my views.
But I don’t feel the need to tell them they are fucked up in the head like has been suggested about me time and time again.
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Wowa, peace and love everyone, maybe time to shut this thread down?
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Here is my suggestion, dunno if it is possible???
Can we start an anonymous poll asking…
Who is in favor of a trade based trust system and who is againts a trade based trust system and thinks things should stay just as they are.
A simple for or against with no comments allowed.
Let the people speak.
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An interest poll is a good idea. However, even if every member wants a trade based trust system there is a lot of work in that. Does this format of forum have the ability to track trades or feedback? Does everyone get set to zero since this is a newly implemented idea?
I’m concerned if everyone starts at zero we will be right back to our original concerns of “newbs” getting ahead of established members in coop signups.
Frankly, that would cause more than a few established members to rage quit.
Brethren @Foreigner Still has the best comment in the thread.
This pretty much says it all to me. You can pick and choose who to you want associate with here.
Any one who feels the Trust level system isn’t up to par could always setup private groups/runs/giveaway’s. I mean it seems like a simple enough solution if you’d like to keep certain accounts out of the mix.
As for the Co-op I think that decision would be best left to the Co-op action group to determine whether or not the current setup is working or not. I’m sure if they felt things were amiss changes would be made.
As for this guy! I will continue to help OGTW! 
and give people the benefit of the doubt.
Just my humble opinion.
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If you give you will have a percentage of grifters taking advantage of your generosity. It’s just the way it is. Acceptable losses.
We don’t need any more “categories” to put members in.
It’s a very positive thing that happens with these seed runs, let’s focus on the good.
My $.02
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You are not John the Baptist, man. This is unhinged narcissism
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Might I suggest you get a clue, you don’t know me but you stand in judgment of me as if you were superior.
You just love your personal attacks don’t ya.
I see who you are… 
If you knew me even just a little, you would know I care much more for others than I do for myself.
But you keep thinkin’ you have all the answers bro.
What do you see when you look in the mirror?
I wonder if that is how others see you?
Yea, that.
And you can judge me by my actions, I have opened my island family to many new members, so I don’t just say it I do it too.
But there is no open door policy as some have suggested is a good idea.
That is not logical and really is foolish.
You need to take chances sometime, but to trust everyone without question is just a silly idea.
No one has said this, in fact we’ve said that trust is earned by personal acquaintance and interactions. That takes place on an open forum and you need to take personal responsibility for your own actions and butt out of others lives, man. Your logic is borderline authoritarian, and is the antithesis of what a lot of us hold most important in our lives, stop fear mongering because you are personally scared, I am not. If you’re such a Detroit guy, then handle your own business and butt the hell out of mine should be pretty familiar. I don’t want your neighborhood watch, go start another site if that’s what you want to do, don’t come onto the commons like a cop and start threatening to crack heads. Fuck that, it’s nice here and I like this place just fine without a self-appointed watchdog.
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I hate to see you guys getting upset. I have gotten burned here. Those people are not here anymore.
I don’t have an answer. All of you are my friends.
I will say this that I have deleted my account a few times because of people that were members.
Didn’t trust, got scared for several reasons.
I do notice seed bums. They don’t really give anything to the community at all. They just pop up every now and then.
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What is the policy to be eligible to participate in giveaways in your thread?
You should be getting close to being a member. @DougDawson is good about these things.
There’s plenty of free, seed giveaways that you don’t have to be a member.
OG has some fun things to do. There’s plenty of raffles going on all the time. I miss most of them. But that doesn’t make you a bum. I wasn’t trying to be rude about what I was saying.
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I spit my coffee out.
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