Should trust level requirements be enhanced?

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Number of likes are not related to status, I agree on what you say about valuable members creating relevant contents but I noticed that the increasing of reading posts and different threads came along with the sponsors, they want more clicks and views of their adds, what they pay is related to that activity so I’m afraid there will be no changes on that side.

I think as you that there is a general consensus for giving perpetual TL3 to growers making seedruns, they are a great asset for the forum and OG should be generous with them … Pirata|nullxnull

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That makes sense… I get it. I still think adding additional pathways to tl3 would be more inclusive.

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cough

Nu-uhhhhh! :rofl:

:evergreen_tree:

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Sorry, a bit of stolen valor there… :grimacing:

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Wow! Reading this thread has been interesting! I’m a pretty new member. The way I’m sorta getting to know folks here is in reading threads; making associations in my mind regarding the nature and qualities of posts. One observes that this or that person is witty, kind, generously disposed towards others, situated in equilibrium (looking at you @DougDawson), confident in occupancy of their own space, and so forth. One forms opinions based upon these indirect interactions. And thus does trust, and levels of respect for others evolve. At least that’s my experience here.
In my understanding, one who understands karma, causality, if this-then this, and so on, also understands ain’t nothin “free”. Because every thought, deed, word, whatever, is inextricably interwoven with and becomes a part of a chain of causality.
The beautiful thing, to me, about this site is that the gravity-center is defined by so many of you who obviously (as evidenced by the qualitative nature of your interactions) live lives informed by a desire to add to the beautiful in this world. What’s beautiful, to me, is kindness, genuine compassion, generosity, and love.
Every day I see displays of these qualities here. And as a bonus, great humor and eclectic perspective.
I don’t “know” any of you. But I do know that if I ever do get to know some of you, many of you, it will be value added to my life. I feel grateful to @LemonadeJoe and all you major players for enriching my life. There’s my 2 cents.

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These words worth more that 2 cents Arriba|nullxnull, hope you will have a pleasant experience among us and glad to meet you … beer3|nullxnull

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Beautiful sentiments @Butterthief1959 , glad you are enjoying the site. So many great members here, glad to have you with us. @LemonadeJoe and his team have created an amazing place and the members make it the best grow community I have ever seen. You are a contributing factor to that, great to meet you. :v:

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Thank you! It’s my very real pleasure!

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Inflation raises their value!:joy: Thanks for your welcoming words.

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Good for you! That is also how I started. @George is right about the easier road to TL3 came with advertising. The site when I started, didn’t have advertising. We just raised money to cover the expenses. Need to upgrade the server, we did a auction or contest to add patrons.
I fell the trust system can use work so it is about trust and not popularity or finding loop holes.

:green_heart: :seedling:

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I gather you, @G-paS, are among those individuals who do significant work here so that a cat like me can simply show up, have a look around and fall in love with the place. Thank you for what you do!

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Thank You, I love this community. It got me thru my husband’s Alzheimer’s. I will do what is needed to keep you all growing with the knowledge, seeds and love here.

:green_heart: :seedling:

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:pray: love grows love. Please accept my respect for your journey, it’s pain and the good that grows out of it.

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I apologize for having to correct my favourite lady chati|nullxnull, but requirements tightened (more posts and threads from different categories readen required) when advertisers came, before it was easier to achieve TL3, have a great day … beer3|nullxnull

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We totally have to agree to disagree :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: It is posted here when it became less restrictive :wink:

:green_heart: :seedling:

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Hi,

Newbie here also, I’m all with what others like @Frosty78 nd @Butterthief1959 stated (as well as some others). The way seeds are considered and exchanged here is what makes this place great in today’s cannabis seed world (I won’t expand on that :grinning:).

I want to say that as a newbie, even if this discussion is not easy, I’m happy to see it going on with such benevoleance. It proves the health of this community and is very reassuring. :+1: OGers!

I think @upstate lately sumed up quite well where the discussion is at:

  • the general consensus is not to harden the TL2 entrance, as it impact an important part of this forum greatness: the ability to welcome new people with free seeds if they wish so.
  • but there’s still the issue that some very active people sometimes get traped in TL2 while some other quickly and easily get to TL3

Now the question is: is this last assertion making a consensus?

If so, his proposal to switch the focus on the TL3 level makes sense to me (not saying that because I’m TL2 btw :grinning:)

Indeed, why not grant that level to people active in the seed run co-ops? About that status being permanent I’m not so sure though. I understood this level isn’t usually and can be lost, so maybe it should also be the case for this (maybe something like “Having participated in a seed run in the last X months?”).

This discussion raised another tought in my mind:

I believe this level system is one of the way to moderate this forum more than a real way to consider trust between participants (like it’s been stated by multiple people). It’s a barrier against abuse somehow and a help for people taking care of the administration of this forum.

It also is automated for most part from what I understood, but automation also has its limits. It’s only as good as the algorithm it has been written with. The more the fine grained analysis of the situation, the more complex the algorithm. In the end it’s sometimes more effective to have ways to manually override the automation. Also most rules end up having exceptions.

So it may be interesting to consider having a way to promote individuals to TL3 manually. But it probably would need a frame to leverage power issues that may arise. May not be easy though. Maybe a thread where people can propose someone to be raised to TL3 so it can be discussed and (dis)agreed on could be a way to have a community review about this manual exceptions?

But starting to introduce exceptions is maybe too much of a dangerous path.

My 2 cents after reading the discussion and sorry for its lenght :grinning:

Happy sunday!

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i don’t know about that. it looks lik @Butterthief1959 has a pretty good grasp on the way trust is built for real here, with the “trust level” more of a “popularity level”. of course it would hurt nothing for the members to have a manually granted tl3 for very active members or members who contribute to the site somehow, but it would have to be something pretty good or it would end up in another popularity contest. if it truly is something that became harder when sponsors became involved then there is no way it should not be done. this site is too special to allow advertising to drive a wedge between members.

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Not only did he not say that, but it also wasn’t implied anywhere in his post.

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they didn’t have to, i said it. they have a pretty good idea of how the interactions should work from their post. i added the part about the trust level being a popularity contest more than actual measure of trustworthiness. if i scroll up just a tad, maybe you could as well to double check me, it looks like @funkyfunk put the popularity contest in there, but i’ve had the same opinion from reading this thread and it has been voiced here several times. had @Butterthief1959 said the actual words i would’ve quoted them. instead i took his post, condensed it to a thought, and added my own, pretty much the way a conversation should go, at least in my opinion. that’s the best way i know to see if i understood what was said. of course this is a forum and not a conversation, so if you think i am doing it wrong, by all means send a pm to keep it out of here, unless you feel i am doing something that needs called out in public, it happens. less often these days but it does happen.

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Not really, even if that’s an opinion I may partially subscribe to. Being more a “popularity contest” than a “trust level” is not the point I think though. This thread seems to be about well known active members that feel they are put aside on some occasions to get beans they want because of the way the levels are defined. So it’s more about this practical aspect than what this levels really mean/are.

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