Awesome, keep on going. Gorilla glue #4 was made by an accident aswell. Sometimes happy accident occure. Anyone can be a breeder. Breeding is just making seeds with a goal. How you end up at your goal is not the important part, the important part is that you complete the goal. Thats why i shrug at anyone saying, you have to do this, you have to do that. If you dont manage to complete the goal. Then you can backtrace your steps and try to understand what went wrong.
I hope you try some breeding in the future! I hope you all get some firat hand experience with breeding. Its fun and giving process thats not as complicated as it sounds. Most of my friends that grows, also breed. Ive pushed EM alot and now they wont do anything else. Most of the time you end up with a superior cultivar for your climate and conditions. This will give you lager yield and The type of cannabis that you like.
Ive been chewing on where dominant and recessive genes originate from. Sativas dont come out as much in those first f1ās when you cross
Sativa x indica
You get this huge lean towards indica, really saturated too, all through the punnet ratios.
I found a guy that says itās due to functional cbdā¦crap i need a refresherā¦indica dont have a functional cbd usually so thatās why indica dominates crosses so muchā¦im so sick of studying and reading lolā¦i wanna apply it, and i amā¦itās just so slowwww till you get to the next moment in the processā¦its agonizing
Edit, im sorry holy angel, ur gonna have to take a backseat for abit. Dont be offended, ur just too many steps backwards for me at the moment to keep moving forward.ill swing back around to you some day
A5 for instance is really dominate for haze effects. Iāve seen her hit with highly inbred heavy indicaās twice in a row and still shine through both of them.
Well, i would say that c99 is a good example of a plant that is very present in most crosses. That would indicate that C99 have a couple of dominante traits. You cant notice those until you have made multiple crosses. What drives Dominant vs Recessive genes are mutation and where those most offen occur in the dna string. So its on cultivars level and not indica vs sativa.
Idk about some guy, but there are at least few books and papers that cover the 3 main chemotypes and how they combine due to a pairing at the Bd allele triggering cbd/mixed/thc production in the plant.
The fact is, it still comes down to specific combining ability and the genotype of the cultivarās you are working with.
I had it flipped. I dont have old forum posts with leet breeder names attached but im certain this is info to work off of that could explain the afghan dominance- generally speaking hash cultivars will have a functional cbd synthase while sativa will not(it becomes a pseudo gene from non use) the main functional difference between sativa and indica is whether there is a functional cbd present. this is because theyve found that the 2 synthases are not on the same locus. meaning they will independently sort. its not a one or the other situation. so sativa(funtional thc/nonfuntional cbd) is the desired chemotype, but the possible chemotypes in a sativa x indica f2 are- funtional thc/functionalcbd functionalthc/nonfunctional cbd nonfunctional thc/functional cbd nonfunctional thc/nonfunctional cbd
these are the 4 outcomes possible in an f2 generation when an active cbd synthase is present on one side of pedigree. now im not sure how the amnesia was made auto, but i believe its usually by introducing ruderalis. which once again has a funtional cbd synthase. this fact means that both parents have funtional cbd synthase which makes it very unlikely to find a sativa type chemotype. if possible using a normal amnesia female x to an autoflower afghan would keep the mothers side without functional cbd and increase the good chemotypes. if this is not possible you could use transgressive segregation in the f2 line. if you select the most nld phenotype outliers from f1(10 % amnesia recessive) and did 1 to 1 matings you can shift the percentage of progeny without cbd synthase. your stacking the outcome you want and eliminating what you dont with strict selection. then itss just a matter of seeing what pops out and go from there . hope that helps
(mouse squeak in the corner) I donāt know shit but that never stopped me from doing anything. Thought it might be fun trying breeding, came out of having a dominant CBD S1 that I never had luck producing much off of and a CBD F2 that I could (lightly) beat people with the buds. Pollinated a male and female and ran 60 of the seeds. Ended up taking three of the males and pollinating a branch each of 22 females. I guess they would be a polyhybrid given the F2. I ended up with roughly four different plant structures between the females and one outlier. While I was aiming for a high CBD plant this one is a happy accident with it giving a mild stone as compared to what people expect now. But it is a pleasant balanced effect between mind and body, going to see where this one goes.
Of the other females, I smoked samples of them and then pollinated the three that seemed to have the most CBD and lower THC with two males. Also hit the THC outlier with the two males as well as a branch getting a shot of PCK (the reason for the small sample size, doing a preservation run and keeping the CBD pants away from the PCK limited me). My thought was to select seeds from the two females that are looking good, the other one has little in the way of flower. I was going to run those seeds and then back cross to the original S1 CBD.
I took bits and pieces of what I read and came up with this plan but now reading this whole thread I am thinking I may be pissing into the wind.
Did you know how to cook dinner right out the gate? Got quicker and easier the more you did it right? Now you cooking with gas like a chef, instead of one of those infrared junkers
When someone tells me what I canāt do, I usually make them eat those words and show them that I did do it.
I have been cruising these forums for years and have found that most of them are basically the same. A lot of āknow it allsā who donāt have anything to show for it.
If you listen to them you think they have it going on. Yeah sure they know how to grow bud and most of them are great at it. But hell anyone can do that. Itās proven again and again that even the most novice of growers will eventually figure it out. And his bud will smoke just as well as the next guy rather her is a big breeder or a novice.
I find it best to leave the expert advice where I found it. I say that because when I smoke that expert bud, it doesnāt smoke any better than what any other man can put out. When I buy those expert seeds, they donāt grow any better than the chucks being passed around the forums. Why not just say it when itās the general consensus around here and other places.
I donāt get itā¦ with all the lab work, and different breeding techniques and this is the best that they have to offer. And Iām not talking plant structure and output because we all know that is up to the grower. However the smoke is based on the plant and a lot of it aināt smoking worth a crap
. Cannabis may look differently and smell differently than it did 70 years ago, but for some reason itās still smoke like 70 year old weed.
I would think after 70 years of research and development, the bud should be smoking way better than what it is.
Iām gonna say itā¦ thatās some sorry crap in most of those pack and unfortunately most donāt already have something awesome in their possession to breed with it. Like guy said above, they are just pissing in the wind. Or as we like to sayā¦.fiending and dreaming.
For those that donāt know, because Iām sure most of you doā¦ and this is just my opinionā¦. grab something you like, then work it into something that you love. And then maybe after all the kinks are worked out of it, breed it to something that has been worked just as well. Thatās how you improve the gene pool. Like I said just my opinion therefore there is no need to get all flamed up.
The ā I can do it too, ā mentality has to be culled because the bud shows that you did the same āwhatever breeding that the guy next to him doesā¦ and his bud smokes like it too. Im for real when I say, āhow is that shit working for you?ā Because we all know that it isnāt working.
What is working is the machine that drives us to keep spending our hard earned and ending up with the same junk that we already had.
Iām a firm believer in hybrid vigor. But I also know that it isnāt the answer to everything. Because when you get a hybrid with some negative shit going on, you are going to be a mad mofo because you have dedicated an entire breeding program to some bull shit.
Whatever a breeders game is, it will show up in their bud. Therefore when a sorry so and so is just crossing others works and passing it back outā¦ it shows. It also show that either the breeders tolerance is low as heck, or that he didnāt give a crap about what he is passing out.
For real, if a mofo take time to grow that shit out that he is crossing, he will already know that itās some bullshit and hopefully wouldnāt be passing it out to people. But unfortunately most breeders arenāt built like that and are only looking to fux over the next manā¦ for a $. Wtf. As loyal they are making money, itās all good, but when someone starts to cut into their profit margins, thatās when all the bullshit starts.
Anyway there is much better bud out there thatās being passed around to the general public. The problem is getting access to it because the f-boys are everywhere trying to take our hard earned $.
Well I do know I donāt know much but have a better idea now than before I started. With all the words I would have thought you might have more to say on breeding rather than, ātake two things you like and work out the kinksā. You could probably do that with any method, it just depends on how much time and effort to get the result you want. And I think that is the reasoning behind this thread, to discuss methods which may allow you to get your result faster than chance.
Just need a goal and a way to quantify your available genetics.
Males absolutely are individuals the same way females are. If you run a line and find only one or a few females that are fantastic out of all of them, do you really think just any of the males are going to work fine to make seeds with? That finding the same level of fantastic males wouldnāt make better seeds?
The maleās will be split the same way the females are. If the best pheno in a line only shows up 10% of the time, that goes for both genders. Not just the girls. If you have no way to quantify your males and use whatever males with no selection whatsoever, you might as well be pissing into the wind. Sure you may know what the female has, but youāre literally leaving the other 50% of the cross in the air. Whether you do 1:1 or 50:50.
Donāt we all want to grow the holy grail. However I believe itās more about the journey than the destination. And we all end up at the graveyard anyways. Nothing is better than what you like the best-.
After i got deeper into my trifoliates and the implications of breeding with unique plants i learned of the effect it can have on traits you want. Bunnyās CBD can be vastly magnified to suit him as long as he understands kinda whatās happening under the hood so to speak.
You can get triple chromosomesā¦thatās what a trifoliate is, it has an extra branching gene copy. Bunny, or anyone, just needs to learn the cues, or hire a lab to give you assays of cannabinoid terpene profiles, to find traits you want. And then using a myriad of techniques outlined in here to play with it
Donāt want to be rude but just want to make sure the terminology is right
Triple Chromosomes is a Triploid or Polyploid genetic plant, and are usually sterile
These can be very beneficial plants, seedless watermelons, bananas, and some grains are also triploids.
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Trifoliate is a three leaved, or branches at the same node
Also known as whorled phyllotaxy and not indicative of the number of chromosomes a plant has. Iāve seen a lot of afghaniās display this trait naturally.
There is no short cut to making the type of bud that you or anyone else likes.
We all know the process is time consuming. Luck is aways going to play a part because some of the best plant makers are often over looked because they donāt fit the standards.
Iām not looking for standards, Iām looking for great smoke. And to get that great smoke it took time to source the genetics that I used, it took time to grow that bud out and see was it worth a fuck. Then to breed it and grow that out to see if the offspring are worth a damn.
If I was looking to cut corners I would grab a couple of clones and some pollen and have at it. In 7-10 weeks you got seed from the same great bud that most others is passing around.
Iāll say it again, āhow is that working for you?ā, because if it was working, we wouldnāt be having so many conversations like these.
Everyone is looking of that easy leg up on the competition. But how many do you see that actually have that holy grail type bud that being referred to? Where can I get it?
Anywayā¦When you breed enough plants you become familiar with your stock and learn the best way to work it. Any breeding will show how genes were past by both parents of the cross. That is if you were familiar with them to start with. And the only way to do that is by growing them out and breeding them and then growing out the offspring.
Maybe I talk too much. Sometimes I donāt include pertinent information. Thatās because I assume that Iām talking to a pot breeders that already knows enough about the process. From what Iām reading, most of them know more about than I doā¦ therefore no one should have to hold anotherās hand and take them step by step through the process. You should know it very well by know.
