What’s the diff between partly sunny, and partly cloudy…wtf?!
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If you are talking about the weather, it has to do with the probabilty for rain. Partly sunny is when the rain have stopped and The cloud start to break up. Partly cloudy is when its been sunny and you start to se more cloud formations.
Edit: so partly sunny, low probabilty for rain, partly cloudy high probabilty for rain.
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Ok he passed the vibe check lol
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This thread is just too long to read up on, it’s a very interesting topic though IMO.
My input is that some specimens are just generally less resistant/capable/vigorous than others.
Don’t breed with weak plants and keep those genetics scrambled for a nice wide pool.
None of us can grow a 1000 plants anyways unless, something.
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It all depends on what you want to achieve! Dog breeders have for decades only used the most elite dogs for breeding and now everything is going to shit because they get more and more diseases. Using only the best plants will limit the genepool and in short term its a Great thing. But long term, it sucks…
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I want to achieve unity, not some crappy dog with broken legs, but hey plants are still different than dogs xD
So that’s when you breed and hunt and find mom and dad, keep in clone form and just keep pollinating them…nothing changes, just a bunch of f1’s from mom and dad and pot luck if the grower gets a winner
True that, but since inbreeding in plants as we know it seems to be a somewhat newer problem, could that be due to prolonged periods of cloning and as a result somewhat tired genetics?
Genetics are pretty much the same. Though animal genetics stem from mushrooms not plants. If you want to achieve unity, your best shot is selfing the plant If question. You will not dilute it with other genetics.
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How did that mom and dad come to life? If they are done from a F1 cross. Their cross would be F2 and it will be alot harder to find something you really like… If the parents are F3 then you would get quite high unity. From my experience, you start to see unity at F3. Remember that its only F1 If both parents are inbreed. Any other scenario, you are making a polyhybrid
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That’s why i included ‘breed and hunt’…ideally the breeder would take it to f6 before selecting mom and dad. I made an assumption i shouldnt have in my abbreviated post
Inbreeding is nothing new and you see it in alot of different cultivars
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I can both agree and disagree, that’s the beauty of it. I’d rather work with different variations of an afghan or SSH, whatever I’m trying to achieve rather than 2x the same plant. It depends how I feel about it. I like to “dilute” plants as well, because I’m curious about the outcome. Not adhering to any specific philosophy pr se. There’s always a nicer girl somewhere.
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I think it was more about the genetic drift question, but whatever. I wish u all lovely plants.
If you got both F6 from different strains. The F1 from that cross will be have hybrid vigor. The level of hybrid vigor you get depends on how geneticly divergent the both lines are. In every one of the F1 plants the Dominant traits will win and most of them will look, taste and smoke the same. But this is not the best way of doing. Since you know nothing about the male, it might give you worthless Dominant traits. Thats why people are talking about testning dads before using them in serious crosses.
I stumbled upon an interesting paper about the fastest way to produce F1s. What you do is take 2 females, let both go to S3 and cross the S3s and they will get full hybrid vigor. This have 2 advantages, you can see, smell, smoke your way to the best genetics and it will take half the time of a normal F1.
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WoW !! interesting information - see were there is a lot to learn about breeding - made some S-1’s and F-1’s a while back - combination of 4 strains by accident. undertand there is a difference between seed makers and seed breeders - difference is time and specific work of strains for specific outcome (breeders) as were seed makers just make a strains for different companies
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I want to achieve unity, not some crappy dog with broken legs,
This is where you take the whole line to f6…f1’s find what you like, grow out offspring
F2’s find what you want, male and female…maybe ur backcrossing idk doesnt matter, what matters is ur still in the same bloodline. You have not outcroseed.
F3’s same deal…f4,f5, now ur growing out f6’s of the same P1’s. Now if ur hardcore you grow out hundreds of those, find ur kickass female, the males are spitting uniform now so any male will do as donor, ur at a homozygous population.
Clone mom, make mother plant whatever. Then pollinate her clones and every plant that comes out will look the same, be the same, but not have the ‘keeper’ profile…they’ll just be uniform
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You dont have to go to F6 to produce unity. If you used one female and one male to go all the way to F6, you will stumbled upon problems along the way, thats for sure. Ive seen it in many cultivars, not just cannabis. If you have one male and one female F3 will give you about 50/50 of what you choose from. I still think using STS is the better option.
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No you dont have to, i presented my knowledge. Please present all the others paths for our dissemination (wink)
Well lets say i got an awesome OG Kush(larry) and an awesome Super Lemon Haze. I want to blend these. One way to go about this is to simply cross them. The result will be a wide array of different traits. This is due to the OG Kush and The SLH not being stable enough, even though you selfed them. So are there any better tools in the breeding box? Yes, there is plenty. You can go to S3 on both plants and cross them. You can try to get OG Kush males and SLH males, backcross each to BX2 or BX3 dependent on the strain and then cross both BXs with each other. I mean you can go about it in alot of different ways.
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