Understanding breeding, how to achieve the best an strongest high, false beliefs an inbreeding depresion

Principles of Plant Breeding | Allard, R.W. | download (1lib.sk)

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you are the absolute homie :+1: thanks dude!

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Thank you!

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If you have two female plants from different strains (let’s call them A and B), will it matter which one you reverse? Will the results be different for axb then they would be for bxa?

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Should be interchangeable, each is contributing a female haploid gamete.

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Now you’re just telling me things from your favorite sci-fi show :joy:

Thanks for the clarification! That’s actually a bit of a relief since it helps set one of many many variables.

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Whats intresting is some people thinking 1-1 breeding is the cause of inbreeding an open pollinating will counter it. But in 1-1 breeding I have the option of using that 1 male an go down its line, then always have the option of coming back and using any of the 50 or so males that whomever would have used in their open pollination an going along his line. An then back again to another male if I want. Or even change the female. All it is I know exactly what I want an went to the effort of finding the pair that gives me that, an I can recreate it again an again. Along with being able to recrate other things because I went to the effort of seeing an testing each outcome so know what they create. I didnt just let what ever pollinate what ever an just threw them in a bag. 1-1 breeding isnt what leads to inbreeding, its taking short cuts an not using proper methods.

Another issue. I have known someone who has tested s3 x s3 an progeney from these that have gone s3 an then outcrossed to other s3. They tested them on a field vs traditional breeding were the males wernt eliminated. The seedlines still using the males would perform better than those were they were eliminating males an continuingly selfing. I think Charles/reeferman did similar tests too an found the same

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Well it does matters but not in the way you might think! The plant the produce the seed gives its mDNA to the seeds. The pollen dont carry mDNA. mDNA is pretty much the schematic of how to process “food”. So a mother with bad mDNA will give it to the offspring. I dont know how big of the effect is in cannabis, but in other plants this have a large effect on outdoor growing.

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Yeah i wouldnt use P1S3 x P2S3 outdoor. The genes are too weak to handle all the challanges the plant face outdoor. For an example, some years might be really hot and other years might be very humid. Different genome will thrive in different conditions and you need that broad range of genes. In a indoor environment you have zero struggle for the plants and a very inbreed weak genome will still thrive and even thrive more when hybridized.

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We kinda think it dont matter in plants…plant and animal mDNA and the food thing, yeah that’s a thing…but in plants it doesn’t act the same.

They just moosh up in recombination…we dont have lactose intolerant plants is an example of this. They dont really use it.

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Definitely heard/read that the males pass structure and resistance traits that the females don’t. So would make sense that s3’s would be weaker outdoors. But I have exactly zero links or evidence for that :sweat_smile:

NO this is not the case. Plants have a more complex mDNA then animals. We dont have exact data och the whole genome but its very susceptible to mutations because of large Amount of repeating in the genome. If plants dont use mDNA you would see a decrease in size and complexity over time, which we do not. Its the other way around. I dont know how it effects cannabis at all but ive seen myself what happends when you swap mDNA in sunflowers are they grow totally different!

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This is not true. Its bro science. The male y contains more genome data then x but we have not seen that data been used by female cells.

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If plants dont use mDNA you would see a decrease in size and complexity over time, which we do not.
…bold statement…

Well in school we learned that there is no mDNA in pollen. I know that thing change, but this video is about animals. Im not saying that im preaching the truth, but this is what ive learned.

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Its not a bold statement. Nature tend reduce complexity of this that are not used and increase complexity of things it does use. The mDNA is the blueprint of how the engine which drive each cell should preform. We know that its different from the animals blueprint, its a more complex pattern that repeat it self and are more susceptible for mutations that animals mDNA. But it is not worthless junk thats completely useless.

The only time which donor of mDNA would matter is if ur trying to retain some chimera incident…which you can’t

Chimera has nothing todo with mDNA. Its a plant with 2 different DNA(regular) within one plant. A siamese twin of sorts. :laughing: