Understanding breeding, how to achieve the best an strongest high, false beliefs an inbreeding depresion

I think all of us here are in the same boat! All here to learn and grow up with our plants… well most anyways :wink:

The thing about BX1+BX1 for me is that you’re losing a lot of the genetic material from one side of the cross. For example if I cross Imperium X (purple without temps) to my Drunken Bastard male. P1+P2=F1 sure, then you have IX+F1=BX1. The BX1 is only 25% Drunken Bastard then. If you cross 2 BX1 together you may be able to isolate the purple buds, but you won’t also isolate ABC leaves WITH purple buds. You need the BX1+F1=F2 in order to do that. The interesting thing about the BX1 added with the F1 is that you open up the same recessive pool that F1+F1=F2 creates. It’s the same thing except you already have recessive phenos locked in, due to the backcross. Quite brilliant once I understood it.

As far as the Law of Segregation goes, I’m not sure these mutants will produce offspring consistent with ‘normal cannabis’. In fact, I’ve got material that shows the 9:3:3:1 ratio does not apply to mutants. Furthermore, as Spunk has said, once you start looking at multiple traits the ratios can get pretty spread out. All of my plants differ so largely from each other than it’s impossible for me to see a ‘uniform line of offspring’ no matter what I do.

The question for me is, why does it matter what a punnett square says about the possible phenotypes? The thing is there’s too many desirable traits to track everything. On a punnett square you can have 2 identical ‘types’ AaAa, AAAA, AAaa, etc… and the plants may look extremely different because you’re only ‘squaring’ for one or two traits. I’ve never seen someone draw up a reasonable punnett square, looking for perfect structure, disease resistance, highly vigorous, high yielding, very potent, smelly, and so on… there’s too many traits to “punnett square theory” everything.

I think punnett squares are good for theory but they don’t apply to the real world. It’s like an abacus. Sure you can use it to count, but in the real world everyone uses a calculator.

6 Likes

The real acid test is putting the 2 together in a breeders head. The punnet is the visual embodiment of what can happen…the law of segregation and allele combinations is what embodies how it will happen…once i get you on that level, i can leave and go gardening, while you have to stay here and pass it on :stuck_out_tongue:

5 Likes

I’m gonna need a few bowls to get on that level :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

Where did you read information regarding the law of segregation? Wondering if this is canna research or regular science research.

1 Like

…regular ole science friend.

1 Like

Shit man getting to the bottom of this thread was a mission…but I have a question.

Now what if I dust a female and just b4 she starts producing seeds I throw her back into veg, now what happens to the male pollen?

•Does the pollen loose viability?
•Does the female absorb the pollen and mutate it’s chemistry?
•Or will the male genetics resurface(seed production) once flowering restarts?

1 Like

If she has pistils she can be pollinated and will grow seed whether put into veg or flower.

5 Likes

Does making seed in veg impact a plants genetic expression in the future is my question?

1 Like

Not beyond normal epigentics…seeds on those calyx’s during veg are same as during normal flower.
Edit…did you know you can polinate then throw it into 24/0 and finish seeds faster

5 Likes

I’ve pollinated a plant early, then put it into reveg while it finished the seeds many times. I call it having my cake and eating it too.:grin: Most times the seed is normal and grows fine, but I have had one that revegged fine, but the seed failed to develop properly and where infertile. No scientific explanation here, just my observations.:grin::peace_symbol:

8 Likes

Same…some seeds just dont complete, idk

1 Like

So basically throwing her into reveg after pollination doesn’t stop seed production.

1 Like

Plants can abort seed production at any given time for many diff reasons…but light schedule isnt one of em…well, within reason.come on

2 Likes

The plants goal is to reproduce , give it the opportunity and it will do the best it can

5 Likes

Momma taught me to help those who help themselves, feed anyone who is hungry, and not to give a flip about what they are talking about.
I may not be from Missouri but you still have to show me I order to make me believe. Momma taught me that too. Bless.

3 Likes

I think we’re all here to learn this. Thank you for your post!

1 Like

Punnett squares are fine for simple (single :yum:) inherited traits… it’s when you venture into multi genes that’s it gets headache inducing lol

I think yeild is controlled by 6 or 7

Here’s what 5 pairs look like in a square

For it to be any kind of useful, you’d have to map every gene in a sudoku grid :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:

7 Likes

@Mithridate - That’s the exact point I was trying to make about punnett squares! Thank you too for your post!

2 Likes

I don’t even know if that answered my question, but it was damn sure informative. I see this grow shit gotta rabbit hole to it…I might as well change my name to Alice cause I’m here for it…ALL OF IT-the knowledge that is.

3 Likes

All I’m saying is get something nice to start out with because It make take year of selection to create a nice plant from substandard genetics.

…someone post a song this is too heavy…pot’s supposed to be fkn fun

4 Likes