Right right. When I’m the opposite. Put it like this, I can be trying to get drunk, half way through my drinking secession, I begin to sober up.
We be out clubbing and I’ll be wasted, but by time to leave I’m very sober. I may not pass a breathalyzer. But I’ll pass the field sobriety test with flying colors. Have done it many times.
In much the same way, a lot of cannabis is like that to me and I’m not just talking about cookies.
Sorrry if it was outa Context.
Some breeders say you shall select for diverse Traits, not just the Strongest Pheno, but Robustness, another Trait is Smell, another Look. Does this Thing really work? haha
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By diverseness do you mean a plant that shows many different structural phenos or those with a wider range of smoking characteristics.
Lol 1993 I think about it everyday
Rhode island grown, where’s it at
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thats what a bottlener Guy told me. A oldschool breeder, said he does it like that. probably cause i asked for keeping vigor, cant say. Thought this is standard
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I love HYBRED VIGOR…
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While checking out the new she hulk show, it made me remember something when they introduced the abomination character.
Because abomination was my first thought about my Nympho. I remember telling my wife weed isn’t supposed to be like that as I was trying to get over the shock of her potency. Literally, the Nympho can knock you off your feet. I remember looking at my wife as if she just hit me in the back of the head as I picked myself up off the floor. I remember screaming at her, “what the hell is that shid?” She can literally make a person just take of running without regard of their surroundings. I’m taking walking off a cliff type shit.
So when I’m talking about potency, I’m not taking about the potency of a poly or a land race I’m taking that has never been seen before in cannabis. Trying to compare her to a poly or land race, is like comparing an eagle to a pigeon. Right there is no comparison.
I have searched for years trying to find something on her level so I can breed to her. But to no avail. There comes a time in any breeding program, when an outcross will be needed to keep the strain healthy. So why wait till I reach that point when I can already be looking.
So if you think that poly smoke is potent, I got news for you…. It ain’t. For real I, don’t smoke it, nor can I give it away because we don’t smoke that type of bud around here. Hell I’ll I still have 90 % of the bud from those original photo plants that I used in my crosses. Like I say, “i don’t smoke anything that doesn’t have Nympho in it because I don’t see the point.
Before these photos that you see me working with, it’s been almost 10 years since I smoked one because their limited effectiveness. I don’t see the point of smoking bud that doesn’t alter reality and numb the body. I need that spiritual aspect of the bud that work out weed doesn’t have.
A couple of hits off the Nympho and all of my chores are done. That what I call energetic. My wife will work her self to death if I don’t make her sit down. A few minutes later and she will be out like a light until it’s time to do it again the next day.
For me, smoking cookie bud is like taking a sip of Coca Cola. Only that 1 sip of coke can easily keep me up for 96 hours. So i don’t eat or drink anything with caffeine in it such a coffee, chocolate or sodas. Hell I’m naturally amped up so I don’t need anything that will increase that feeling.
When I smoke bud, I’m try to relax and unwind. I’m not trying to be running around like a chicken pecking the ground for feed. It ain’t shit to see a crackhead running around rubbing ground like he’s looking for something. Half the time they eat even be looking at the ground, while squatting and rubbing it. It’s the norm around here.
This is my definition of energetic.
Shid for me feeling like Superman and not like super chicken. I’m just saying. When you say energetic to me, this is what I think you mean. Hell I can take a single bite off a chocolate candy bar and get that effect so why would I smoke weed to get that effect. Makes no sense to me because a dollar candy bar can do the same thing for a lot less than the price of a gram of bud.
I have produced bud that is not only high energy, but also gets me high as… f. I can be walking around out of my gourd without a single bit of sleepiness to it regardless of how much I smoke. Did I mention, and still be high as f. Which is something that you never hear about that “energetic” stuff. There are way too many options available to still be smoking stuff on that level.
Was checking out half baked this am. You know the scene where dude is crying and tripping and shit. That’s the type of bud that we like and prefer. When was the last time that you had a bud that was actually able to put you to sleep. I see people looking for heavy bud all the time, so I know how rare it is.
This is what I expect from weed every time.
it’s also what it’s like when I walk into the party. And before I leave, everyone will be feeling like this.
And I expect it to do that in just a few hits.
On the far left is a hole cigar, the others have a couple of hits taken off them. You see how little it take to achieve those effects. You also see that I have multiple strains on that level. So when you ask if my breeding program is successful? Just take one hit off my bud and you immediately know what I’m talking about.
So please stop coming at me as if you have some kind of notion as to what I have. I assure you that you are way off base. And don’t forget that I have some of the same strains that you guys have, so I know how they smoke. But what your don’t know, is how much better they smoke and smell after I cross them with mg Nympho.
Those plants come alive when I cross to them. An their smells. some of them will make you gag. There is a whole new cannabis world out there and anyone that is moving backwards instead of forward, are just becoming that much further behind. Some of you may know a lot about bud, but for sure you don’t know all there is to know about weed. because if you knew as much as you claim to know, you wouldn’t still be smoking that shit. Any way…. smoke sum thin. And have a good weekend.
@Blu-Tri what are the genetics in your Nympho variety?
Most one hit varieties I’ve tried have had a bunch of Afghan genes in them. Also, I believe that an individuals biochemistry and the context of a given moment plays a significant role in how they experience a given variety.
When you say you’re looking for something on her (Nympho’s) level, how are you quantifying that assessment, by looking through progeny of test crosses or by the characteristics of a potential variety without making the hybrid and searching the progeny? Much love
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She has a little of everything in her. But in such a way that it all blends together with it own unique taste and smoking characteristics.
Yeah she taste like Afghan, however the next man might only detect chem, or skunk. Like you said. I mean to some people it tastes so much like chem, that they thought some type of chemical is what it give it its potency.
And and course I pheno hunt Bro. But I would rather pheno hunt gear with a proven track record instead of just grabbing some random cross from just anyone. As we all know, breeding cannabis takes a lot time and resources.
So I prefer to use premium genetics in my breeding program. There too much mediocre stuff out there. The other day a guy was saying Afghan was weak. When most people fell just like you do about it. That’s the difference in the quality of genetics that are out there. It’s up to you as to which version that you choose to use.
Using lower level genetics when high quality stuff is readily available is also senseless. There are too many who be on that “it’s all the same bs” knowing damn well it isn’t. I’m very selective about where I get my genetics and I don’t mind paying a premium for them. It’s not hard to tell premium genetics from the bs. If you are still using genetics with inconsistent quality this day and age, that’s your fault.
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Forgive me for asking but… if high quality genetics are readily available then why aren’t there more suitably potent strains out there? Why is everyone in pursuit of the ‘holy grail’ plant if there’s so many good plants out there?
I think I’ve purchased high quality seeds but there’s never any way of knowing until I sprout them and see what plants come from them. As someone relatively new to the grow game (~3 yrs) I haven’t had the years of experience of seeing things come and go, but I will say it seems like it’s becoming increasingly rare to find cultivars that have gone through years of testing. It seems like everyone wants to do F1 crossings which is great for dominant traits but let’s be honest… all the good plants are recessive anyways.
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How do you know it’s premium without running the progeny of a given cross to your Nympho?
Elite plus elite doesn’t necessarily yield elite all the time, especially if trying to dial in traits in a given cultivar without adding any undesirable ones considering so many “premium” lines these days come out of polyhybrid work. I think the best approach is by finding a homozygous line with some traits you’re cool with, and working from there.
It might not be the most elite out of the gate, but within the work I think there will be a solid basis for stability and improvement in the line. Unfortunately, homozygous lines are nearly mythical in the cannabis community these days, as pure lines are increasingly rare to find and work with.
I don’t mind paying a premium for genetics either, but some of the best stuff I’ve had was either free or very cheap. Some of the premium stuff has been great, as advertised, and some of it’s been junk. There’s hardly any knowing how a cross will display in the progeny unless you’re testing males with the same rigour as the females you’re selecting. That means, one to one matings and evaluating the males contribution in the progeny. Then making decisions from there. These are just my opinions of course and definitely not gospel. I applaud you’re working your lines the way you want to, as we all should. After all, it’s your garden. Your medicine.
In no way am I saying to go away from quality genetics and seek out underperforming genetics, what I’m suggesting is that we often don’t know the quality regardless of what’s on the pack because most breeders aren’t selecting males with the same rigour as they select their females for their breeding programs. It’s nice to know what’s inside the pack and the work that’s gone into a given pack of seeds but the reality is there is a lot of controversy when it comes to the lineage of a lot of the seeds in the market.
If you don’t mind me asking, what are some of the criteria you use to determine if the genetics are premium or not? What does premium genetics mean to you? Much love
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I’m just saying, the proof is in the pudding. I don’t think one can say something isn’t premium without giving it a go and searching the progeny and the recombined genetics if the intended use of said genetics are to improve a polyhybrid clone only plant. Ie.) Your Nympho.
When I asked how you determine what premium genetics are to you, I was genuinely curious how you decide what criteria meets your standards. To me, someone looking for genetics for improving a clone only polyhybrid cutting, that can’t be done without peeking at the progeny of multiple 1:1 matings, across multiple generations.
I’m the type that finds out what I like by trying a bunch of stuff I don’t like, just to be sure. And by trying a bunch of stuff I like too! The proof is in the pudding in my opinion. Much love
I would say that today, hybrid vigor is quite hard to come by from commercial breeders. So i think most growers that have started the last 10 years sadly havnt experienced it. The best chance of getting hold of real F1s is by “craft breeders”. With hybrid vigor you also get potency and terp production.
Pz 
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Lol
I second defining what meets your criteria as premium without running progeny of seed
I assure you I consistently throw away plants many would pay several months rent for
@Sbeanonnamellow
To me a plant worth keeping around has to be worth the space it takes up in my room
and it’s very competitive space
Buzz quality is first and foremost
Then terps
Then more practical qualities like yield, vigor, structure
I breed almost always based off structure and smell
I wouldnt say theres any one data set that fits as a keeper should be the pinnacle of the expression your hoping for
also it annoys me when people are focused so heavily on strains being “worked”
For preservation reasons sure it’s good to lock something down in seed
But in today’s market if you have the exact same thing as 10,000 other growers your not going to be able to demand any kind of fair price if your selling what you grow.
I don’t sell seeds so it’s irrelevant, but when I’m making seeds for myself
I want odd balls, I want all kinds of variety
Makes the hunt more fun and often more worth while
But I enjoy large hunts so maybe that’s just me
I don’t consider hybrids I make “‘my own work” u til there has been 2 generations of crossing done by myself
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There are some breeders who still strive to make original and unrelated crosses but the consumer tends to steer the product and so many are stuck on the current hyped strain. Don’t get me wrong there are some great strains that have showed up in the hype scene but in the long run people may regret not holding onto and or creating more original and diverse pairings. I have not grown any out yet but I crossed Indian landrace exchanges eastern Manipur Burma with the paki chitral kush from ace , should be all kinds of different plants coming from that but one will have to wait and see. It’s easy to grab 20 elite clones and cross it to a male,make a website and fling beans but to flower a 20+ week strain and time it right to cross it with a 7-9 week strain takes a little more work. In case anybody is curious it was a female EMB crossed to a male PCK. I did a run with the EMB first to determine how long from the switch to 12/12 it would take to be ready for pollen and to pick the most desirable female. The EMB all had almost identical growth structure but the girl I singled out had much stronger smells and trichome production then the rest. So all in all there was over 40 weeks of flower to accomplish my goal.
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Problem is that it needs to be quite inbreed and not only different. I would say that inbreeding something takes around a year If everything goes as planed. For most commercial breeders this is too Great of a risk.
I agree with you. You can get your hands on beans from breeders like ace. But you know as much as me that its not very common for people to buy these type of seeds. Sadly most people buy seeds from the loudest marketing because they think it will be fire.
Tbh poly hybrids can bring you fire. I mean my favorite strain of all time is a Bruce Banner pheno i got with crazy high potency and crazy terps, Having sugar beads all over that where very tasty! It took me over 6 packs of seeds from the first release of Bruce Banner to find one keeper. Rest of the plants where meh. This is the problem for me. I know that alot of you in US got plant count or have limited space, time or energy. Poppig these seeds will probably bring quite bad weed and thats not ok. In 2022 nobody should be able grow bad weed!
From what i see on this site, this is nothing new to you and most of the strains that are made here are probably better then most of the beans sold by commercial breeders.
So If we are talking about potency, you can either grow ALOT of plants or work together to bring real F1 hybrids from high potency cultivars, either using selfing, backcrossing or line breeding to inbreed the initial cultivars. So more collabs on the forums would serve us all with very strong weed.
Pz out my growmies
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@Sbeanonnamellow dude catch up or move to the back of the line. You do your breeding your way and I’ll do mine as I see fit.
There isn’t a person here or anyone else that knows anything about my plant because I don’t share that info with anyone.
All you have is the name Nympho bro. Take that and run with it because you aren’t getting anything else.
Move to the back of the line?
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Selection pressure can be applied heavily on one sex only and that sex will disproportionately display traits that have been selected for. The birds of paradise are a pretty extreme natural example of this sort of selection pressure being applied heavily on the males and basically not at all on the females. The results is the males are extremely colorful, with oversized plumage, intricate dances, songs, and calls, whereas the females are plain-Jane normal looking birds. Obviously cannabis isn’t a bird, and I’d be interested in how the expression of traits between the sexes varies between birds and plants but as an interested observer of this thread, I think there’s a decent evolutionary argument to be made for leaving the males out of the equation entirely and applying selections by considering the desirable female traits only.
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Pick a male with sparse flowers, his female progeny are likely to be airy.
Pick a male with dense flowers, his female progeny are likely to be dense.
It’s not rocket science, you just have to look at what you got and make some choices. I stand by what I said.
If you have a line that throws pineapple, grapefruit, and apple smelling plants and you found a grapefruit girl and wanna make grapefruit f2s, you only need find a male with grapefruit smelling flowers.
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