vernal don’t you know? nobody wants your terrible advice. Here smoke poison, great advice.
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No shit. I always thought it was safe to use being that it degrades rapidly under sunlight.
Oh well cant do anythjng about it now.
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This is the information I have, and for me it is enough to start looking for other options.
Abstract
Spinosad is one of the most extensively used bio-pesticide in the world. The effects of pesticide in human health are mainly associated with its residue in food or occupational exposure in agricultural production. The lung is the direct target of pesticides exposure, although the study of inhalation damage caused by Spinosad remains unclear. The aim of the present study was to evaluate the cytotoxic effects of the Spinosad in human lung cells. We demonstrated that Spinosad could inhibite the proliferation of human lung epithelial A549 cells, induce the DNA damage and enhance the programmed cell death. Intracellular biochemical assay indicated that DNA double strand breaks, cleaved of PARP, release of cytochrome c, decrease of mitochondrial membrane potential, generation of reactive oxygen species (ROS), activation of caspase-3/9, increase of Bax/Bcl-2 ratio, LC3-II conversion, accumulation of Beclin-1, degradation of p62 and the changes in the phosphorylation of AMPK, mTOR are contributed to the toxic effects of Spinosad in A549 cells. The results showed that the cytotoxicity of Spinosad may be associated with the activity of mitochondrial apoptotic pathways or AMPK/mTOR-mediated autophagy. Meanwhile, the DNA stand breaks caused by the Spinosad suggest it has a potential genotoxic effects on human lung cells. We conclude that Spinosad has a potential risk to human health by inducing the cytotoxic effects.
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if you’re killing thrips one spray with btk wipes them out for good.
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No, spinosad is translaminar, which means it is locally systemic. It tends to stick around, but not like systemic products. Which is why imo it is important to know what you are spraying on your plants.
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Well I only used it once in my life and cant turn back time. All I can do is move forward with the information I know today.
Who knows how much worse i smoked with all that mexican brick.
That article didnt say anything about hydrogen cyanide being produced.
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Most excellent! It’s all we can hope for, moving forwards 
I probably exposed myself to multiple carcinogens during my growing time, not recommended.
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I have used chemicals I wished I wouldn’t have as well, and I have smoked plenty of Mexican brick in my day so I understand what you are saying. I’m not judging, I’m just trying to inform people. I used to always recommend it for thrips. Sounds like I need to try some btk per Joe. I think the hydrogen cyanide is from Myclobutanil not Spinosad, but again I could be wrong.
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yeah pretty sure i’ve smoked formaldehyde, among other things on that mexican brick…
If I have to spray something on my flowering plants… i’m just chopping em instead.
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No offense taken.
Information is good. This way people can choose for themselves what they want to do with that information. Im not losing any sleep over it.
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if you scroll down on the label it states hydrogen cyanide.
HAZARDOUS DECOMPOSITION PRODUCTS: Carbon monoxide, hydrogen chloride, hydrogen fluoride, oxides of nitrogen, hydrogen cyanide, and various chlorinated and fluorinated organic compounds.
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I read that msds. Thats a high percentage of spinosad.
Product i used 0.5% and I think it was 1ml/liter or some dilution.
Buzzmobile recommended it. Im not proud of spraying flowers. But I didnt know any better. Now I do.
Hazardous decomposition. What does that mean?
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It breaks down into those dangerous chemicals.
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That’s good to know Joe. Yet another reason to stick to alternative methods for thrips.
This outta likes thing is starting to get annoying. 
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I got this feeling that we’re both paid to know these things! reads furiously
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i get the cyanide thing, i do and ive showed what i use, but lima beans and almonds all have cyanide in them and other natural foods and plants,including tobacco. A while back @vernal in another post said something to the effect that he doesnt ipm, he reacts when he needs to, and i thought of how much stuff i go thru for IPM. My worst problems are always pm and then fungus gnats I IPM twice a month once for pm and disease’s and once for bugs, I go thru alot of stuff. I smoke all that, and honestly it got me wondering is it better to just spray and it gone with a more toxic product then to douse it twice a month with less toxic, but still toxic…
I have copper as well because it was fast was at local hardware and im rural. but man I used alot and i didnt even make a dent , and copper isnt organic its a metal. And adding tons of metal can not be good.
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What are you trying to say here Vern? Cause it doesn’t sound like a very nice comment. Oh but wait… you said dick gets hard, that’s so cool of you. 
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My IPM is I sweep the floor and mop the filth up. By using clean-room tech you can ensure no bugs even show up.
edit: just view my thread on DWC bug problems are zero.
It’s just a joke lol jeez what a sourpuss; lighten up a bit.
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I hear you, and I don’t like to spray anything if I don’t have to, organic or not. I’m not sold on the actinovate, serenade, etc. I have used actinovate with good results, but like you are saying constantly spraying is not a long term solution imo. What I found is there are key times, application rates and methods, etc that can make a big difference in efficacy.
This is a really brief simplified way I do things. Moms and clones need to stay clean. If this requires neem, serenade, etc then yep, do it. Veg plants should stay clean, but if there are issues they are usually small enough that spraying is an option, and it’s nowhere near flowering so I have a lot of arrows in my quiver. I grow predominately in outdoor greenhouses, and there are a lot of growers around here. Spores fly and that’s life. So the last week of veg/first week of flower they get a few sulfur burns to kill off any pathogens. By this time I don’t have any issues or I really missed something. From there I need to make sure I keep my environment on point and I do weekly scouting to identify any problems. Once flowering/pistils start options are really limited, so being preventative is essential imo. If I’m concerned about pests I will release predators week 2-4 of flower (except nematodes - those can be applied earlier for fungus gnats).
I dunno, hth. 