I’ll probably do a couple neem oil treatments before flower sets on them switch back to JWA with mint drops .
Neem doesn’t deter a flea in my garden. I don’t waste my time anymore on it. lol I have shaved their legs, except for a few fan leaves I left as solar receptors while they are vegging.
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@Tinytuttle pretty naked under the skirt man
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Looks like sexy legs to me! Ya I’m really going to try following kushmans video as best I can mine are starting to look like their going to explode into the flower stage soon their definitely in a transition mode now!
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Right?! Mine too. Especially Skunk 1, she is doing the separation thing now. Hence, my haste to get everything fully pruned to where I want them!
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My main question regarding pruning following Kushman’s video is how should the main stem be treated? Do I prune the suckers off the top except for 3 nodes or just leave them alone. I’m good on the regular branches. Just the main stem is my dilemma. How are you handling the tops directly off the main stem?
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I wonder if I could figure out how to email the man and ask him? lol
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I think kushman has topped making for a yet even bushier plant IIRCC the thing I took away from the tutorial was getting rid of all lower branches that wouldn’t make it half up the height of the plant cleaning out the center and the alternate twisting of the branches as far down as I can twist them now … yes i’v topped all of my plants this year not to late IMO . With what I have going on is more of a SOG set up with the density I have some of my plants are literally inches apart but ya cant really tell the way Iv been training them to the open areas .
I’ll take a pic underneath tomorrow to show ya how close some are!
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I only grow outdoors and never prune well maybe a wee bit on the bottoms I just spread the branches outward using 6" x 6" netting and end up with a bunch of big fat tops . I do pick off yellowing fans they done their job .
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Great advice I guess it just depends on what ya want to achieve @Meesh I can’t get away by growing 6-8 foot plants in my back yard so I try to low profile them the best I can.
Most outdoor growers don’t really prune much. I’m trying something different this year… Mostly just big fat top colas and not much else at the end. Just quality top colas. Not worried about big yields. With 11 plants, I’ll have enough for 3 of us for the year even with just tops. Plus, I’m trying a preemptive strike on pm by cleaning out the inside of the plants for more airflow. Southern Cali by the ocean is pretty humid.
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So there is one main stem and branches form off main stem. I have pruned all of the branches to 3 nodes. Now since being topped twice in the past, my plant has one main stem, forked off into 4 pieces of main stem which are not branches. It’s 4 main stems, so as the plant grows, branches continue to form off of those 4 main stems. I am unclear about whether I am to prune off those branches on the 4 now main stems below 3 nodes. As these are now, primary branches off of all 4 main stems and not secondary branches. No one has seemed to understand my exact question I don’t think. I sent a tweet to kushman. No idea if he checks his twitter or will respond.
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I think you did a fine job Meesh 
My view is this…We all know the leaves are little solar panels…right… no brainer!
Now, when it comes to thick lush vegetation the problem becomes…Is the leaf helping or hindering the production of energy for a plant?
Each leaf takes a small amount of energy produced to sustain itself…so one has to ask…how much a questionable leaf is actually exposed to the sun/light?..If a leaf is sheltered by the bulk of the canopy, producing less energy that it requires itself…my view is to clip it…
Obviously this view is taken in conjunction with natural trimming protocol…topping, fim’ing,
clipping yellow or damaged leaves or general maintenance…
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Actually…this presents another technical question perhaps someone else can answer regarding indoor grows…
Here it is…perhaps a bit of a paradox…?
We have all discussed with our fellow growers over and over…trimming and clipping leaves to open the canopy for indoor grows…We clip the top…so that bottom leaves can receive more light…Hmm?
Since light is more intense closer to the artificial source…are we potentially eliminating leaves that receive “light of greater intensity” in favor of those receiving inferior light?
I hope this pertains to you as well Meesh as I certainly have no intention of high-jacking your thread 
Just a thought… 
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Not hijacking at all! Love the discussion! For outdoors we top for more main colas. Trimming and clipping leaves and opening up the inside of the plant I believe is just as valuable outside as inside. Especially here where humidity borderlines too much in some months. While the sun as opposed to lights can cover more surface area of the plant equally, it still can’t penetrate to the inside of the plant and also air flow becomes more limited. So if the inside secondary branches and leaves are not pruned they will simply bud into larf that’s not even worth trimming. I have trimmed off most inward facing leaves and all secondary branches that won’t receive sun anyway at this point.
As to trimming top leaves off of an indoor budding plant. I’m not sure it would hurt as I know from regular flowers that the petals themselves are solar panels, on that line of thought, the little bud leaf should be solar panels as well. Of course leaving as many leaves that aren’t blocking bud sites as possible will give the plant more sugar for the buds during senescence I would think.
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Also, since there is so much control in an indoor grow then how important are leaves during bud? If you are supplying the plant with extra carbs during bud like molasses or that Big Bud stuff, how much energy does the plant need to use to eat itself aka senescence. If the plant has what it needs already? Hmm… I could be way off, but just following a thought…
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Valid points Meesh
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On another note, I’m a lazy ass organic grower. That’s where @Tinytuttle and @Sunvalley take things to a whole other level. Homemade bug sprays and other awesome concoctions. I make some ferments and teas and stuff, but nothing even close. Just don’t have the energy let alone the time or knowledge yet. I’m like… bugs… bust out the store bought organic bug spray. These guys are like… I’ll make a homemade spray or foliar or tea for that… I’m left in awe, they run circles around me.
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I only top once but I’m doing beanz not colas
inside I thin the bottoms but outside usually don’t - but I’m lazy like you
this will give you something to think about
pretty obvious that this guy didn’t thin out or prune too much but WOW
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I’m in the same boat as you @Meesh in Organics things are working for us automatically where as “force feeding” we are working for the plants ,to much work for me every time I/we have to water IMO so it saves us a lot of time in that aspect which we can divert our energy elsewhere. Chemically speaking it’s like giving a kid sugar all the time ya it works but that has turned the plant into a “junky” so to say and they will always need to get their fix with repeated chemicals or else they’ll crash . With the shear numbers that @Sunvalley is putting out year after year I think he would agree otherwise he would be mixing shit all the time 24/7 if he was going the chem route.
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